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Post 46 made on Monday October 3, 2005 at 17:50
Springs
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Well here is my glitch...

Windows XP2 Pro
Dell Laptop

Had to do the USB update and that made the connection with the 7500 work...

Then I noticed I can't just open multiple configs by doubleclicking. I have to go to file to open a second config.

Also when workinf with the 7500 it doesn't seem to know or care if it is connected to a 7500 or 7000. It loads up the old 7000 files I have and the 7500 file. The only time I have noticed a differnance in my brief testing was when I save it asks me what type of file to save as.

The program does know the differance between a 7500 and 7000 when it opens a config... but that is about it.
Post 47 made on Thursday October 6, 2005 at 08:44
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Also noticed that I could not drag actions from one button to another. Maybe I need to do some regedit...

Any clues on wich ones?
Post 48 made on Friday October 7, 2005 at 19:04
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On 09/29/05 22:07 ET, Peter Dewildt said...
A possibility is that they might be using the
same firmware for both models.

If that's the case, and there's no other new capabilities for the TSU7000 (and so far, I haven't heard any), it doesn't see to be worth the trouble to upgrade, given the various posts regarding folks having trouble with the new firmware and software.
Post 49 made on Sunday October 9, 2005 at 18:09
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Update. Can open multiple configs witht he mouse by right clicking and using open with. There are then 2 pronto edits listed and the second one does it. Looks like an open with is still in the registry.
Post 50 made on Monday October 10, 2005 at 23:16
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Trust me, Lyndel, the right remote type was specified. Still having problems. May have to reconstruct from some time ago. But I am happy that the rest of you are having an easy time of it.
Post 51 made on Tuesday October 11, 2005 at 00:15
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Aliasing problem.
Running new version software and firmware. Two new 7000's, both doing the same thing, talking to two different Pioneer DVD megachangers. DVD players work fine with their remotes. Pronto's work okay on all other devices.

Set up a simple macro to stop the playing of a DVD and select the option on screen to enter a disc number and then play it. Buttons are all aliased to a work page.

If I set up the macro to only execute the Disc Select, the screen pops up and asks for the number. But when I add ANYTHING else to the macro, the player won't respond. I need for the macro to do 3 Stop commands and a Disc Select command, with .4 delay between each, and then jump to another page for the numbers so they can be entered. Not rocket science. Found that it can even be only a .4 second delay before or after the Disc Select, and it will not work.

Made a new button on same page, same results. Made a new pcf, with just the two buttons ( Disc Select and Stop) on one page, and the macro on another page, aliased back to first page. Put in all 3 stop commands and delays on the macro, learned the codes from the remote, worked fine.

Took the hex data from the bad pcf, pasted it into the new one, worked ok.
Went back to the old pcf, created a "pre" macro of the the 3 stop commands, with 3 delays, and then pasted it into the desired macro, ahead of the Disc Select command, still no go. Removed the "pre" macro and the single button alias works fine again.

Saved the old pcf in the editor, uploaded the existing pcf from the Pronto, and checked to make sure what was in it was what I originally programmed and downloaded, and it was.

Took the working hex from the new pcf, pasted it into the old one, same results, macro worked okay with Disc Select command only by itself. Add anything, it stops working.

I suppose I could blow away the pages and create new ones, and it might just work, but I'm not getting a warm-fuzzy about something so very simple that has ALWAYS worked in ALL the other Prontos I've done back to the 1000. This just started happening since the upgrade.

To make it more spooky, on an entirely different pcf, where I had a simple Help button on the home page to jump to a page that explained the basics of the Pronto, it would jump to the Help page fine, but I couldn't Browse Backward to the home page. It had been there for almost a year working fine. Reset it to Jump back to the Home page only, still stuck.
BUT, if after loading the pcf, I executed the main startup for the system from the home page, which then jumps to an Action page, and then jumped back to the home page, the Help button worked every time, set to Browse or Jump ! ARRRGGGHHHH !!

If this was a problem related to some new function or aspect, I could understand that. For procedures as old as the Pronto itself to screw up, very frustrating.

So whatcha think? VooDoo time? Sacrifice some old OEM remotes in a bonfire to the remote gods and shout "Out, out foul hex, be gone bad bits....." or just take two six packs and go to bed, universal cure for everything......

Sorry, I digressethed, again.
Thankth!

Dan
Post 52 made on Tuesday October 11, 2005 at 02:48
Peter Dewildt
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Dan, you might want to try experimenting with durations.
Peter
Pronto 1000 (retired), Pronto TSU7000, RFX6000 (retired)
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Post 53 made on Wednesday October 12, 2005 at 01:57
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On 10/11/05 02:48 ET, Peter Dewildt said...
Dan, you might want to try experimenting with
durations.

Peter
Thanks for the idea, but if it was duration, why would it work fine when there are no other commands in the macro but the one. And then adding another link, jump or delay, anything else to the macro, it stops working.

After creating a new pcf, with just the three required buttons for the macro, and it works fine, I then replaced the suspect hex into the new pcf buttons, and it works! Take the new pcf hex and replace the suspect hex in the bad pcf, no go.

Simply adding another step to a macro shouldn't change any other commands operation, right?

Wierd.....
Dan
Post 54 made on Wednesday October 12, 2005 at 02:04
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If there is exactly one action on a button, it transmits as long as you press it. If there is more than one action, each code transmits for a fixed amount of time, which might not be enough in your case. Changing the duration would change the fixed amount of time that it transmits.
Peter
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Post 55 made on Wednesday October 12, 2005 at 02:34
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On 10/11/05 00:15 ET, DanKurts said...

So whatcha think? VooDoo time? Sacrifice some
old OEM remotes in a bonfire to the remote gods
and shout "Out, out foul hex, be gone bad bits....."
or just take two six packs and go to bed, universal
cure for everything......

Hi Dan

i believe the culprit of these proplem is the new firmware.

[Link: remotecentral.com]

If i use it - none of my TV-macros work anymore -therefore I went back to the prior firmware 3.7.7. I also played with several dalays, but no success at all.

Regards
Daniel
Post 56 made on Thursday October 13, 2005 at 01:26
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On 10/12/05 02:04 ET, Peter Dewildt said...
If there is exactly one action on a button, it
transmits as long as you press it. If there is
more than one action, each code transmits for
a fixed amount of time, which might not be enough
in your case. Changing the duration would change
the fixed amount of time that it transmits.

Peter
That makes sense, except it works fine on the new pcf, with or without other commands in the SAME macro. Same hex code on the buttons of either old or new pcf. Old pcf only works with the one command.
That's what's so wierd.
Is there any other possibile cause, besides the software?

Since others have had a similar result, I'm going back to the last version firmware and see what happens.
I'll let you know what happens.
Dan
Post 57 made on Thursday October 13, 2005 at 02:18
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On 10/13/05 01:26 ET, DanKurts said...
Peter
That makes sense, except it works fine on the
new pcf, with or without other commands in the
SAME macro. Same hex code on the buttons of either
old or new pcf. Old pcf only works with the one
command.

That's what's so wierd.

Is there any other possibile cause, besides the
software?

Since others have had a similar result, I'm going
back to the last version firmware and see what
happens.
I'll let you know what happens.
Dan

Update
Reloaded the older 3.7.7 into the 7000, used the new editor version 2.1.4.0, loaded the same old non working pcf, BOOM! Works like champ. Has all 4 original steps to the macro and a jump. Obviously something going on with this update. I can send the pcf's to the guru's, just need to know where.

Meanwhile, going back to my customers and change their firmware back. Isn't this fun, lots of driving, and with the price of gas being soooo reasonable..........arrrrrr.
Think I'll throw some Blues music in the van!
Dan
Post 58 made on Sunday October 16, 2005 at 00:11
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Just got back from customers house where I had updated firmware. They were having problems with startup macro hanging. Cleared it, reloaded pcf, and she worked out on it. About 5 minutes later it hung, same place. I set it back 3.7.7 and after 3 hours, she couldn't get it to fail again. And, she noticed it was running much faster. Go figure.
Sure hope someone at Phillips gets this fixed!
Dan
Post 59 made on Sunday October 16, 2005 at 00:13
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On 10/12/05 02:34 ET, dabu said...
Hi Dan

i believe the culprit of these proplem is the
new firmware.

[Link: remotecentral.com]

If i use it - none of my TV-macros work anymore
-therefore I went back to the prior firmware 3.7.7.
I also played with several dalays, but no success
at all.

Regards
Daniel

Daniel
Thanks for the heads up. You were right on.
Holding off until the next update, now, unless they find a work around.
Dan
Post 60 made on Sunday October 16, 2005 at 01:00
Ti-maniac
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Where can I get a copy of 3.7.7 firmware? If you have it could you send a copy to [email protected]? Thanks ahead of time.
Edit: never mind, just downloaded off of the remote central archive. Will try it and post the result. Thanks all anyway.

This message was edited by Ti-maniac on 10/16/05 01:14 ET.
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