Can anyone explain to me how to input RC5 code into Pronto edit NG?

In screen Add IR code it gives me only option to select some devices and their codesets. It gives option edit IR code but I can not input RC5 code , for an example "31 91"
On old Pronto there was normal RC5 input option if developer mode was enabled.

I have 5 units with RC5 codes. How to input them?

Thanks for all advices

Use a copy of the old ProntoEdit to create a CCF with this code. View the code, then copy and paste it into ProntoEdit NG.

Also, Wizz.it (which works with the Marantz version of the Pronto NG) can create the hex needed for RC5 codes (although you'l still need to copy/paste).

I also do have the same problem and about to give up on this. the fuuny part is some of the key I found that in the PPNG the codes is shown as RC5 and some are the normal one. needless to say the normal keys work and the one that only show the RC5 code don't work on my equipment. what can I do?

Thanks, but I will never understand why they had to disable this VERY NEEDED function !!???

Where did those codes come from? And what do you mean by "shown as RC5"? I thought the various PENG versions didn't display RC5 as RC5, they just have Pronto Hex beginning with "5000".

You should post the Pronto hex for some working and some non working signals. Then I expect I can figure it out.

Also, what device are these signals controlling?

John
for example the working codes for the Vol+ is
0000 0073 0000 000B 0022 001D 0042 003B 0042 001D 0022 001D 0022 001D 0022 001D 0022 003B 0042 001D 0022 001D 0022 001D 0022 0CAC

and for the non-working (Vol-) is
5000 0000 0000 0001 0010 0011

the device is Gryphon Sonata Allegro preamp.
also what I am having a problem with is my dCS gear (Verdi, Purcell, and Deluis). for these the factory sent the PDF file I sent you few days ago and you responded to me but I couldn't figure it out.

John,
oh the codes for my preamp came from learing from the original remote.

Your working Vol+ is RC5 protocol, device 16, command 16. It isn't a great learn. Apparently it isn't clean enough for PENG to recognise that it is RC5 and translate to 5000 format. But it is the typical RC5 frequency, timing and structure. So there isn't any interesting difference between it and normal RC5 to explain the results you see.

Your Vol+ is RC5, device 16, command 17. I'm confident it is the correct command. I assume it was automatically translated from 0000 format to 5000 format because it was learned clean enough to recognise.

I have no good theory for why it wouldn't work in 5000 format. A couple not so good theories are:

1) Maybe the firmware in your remote got corrupted somehow, so it is no longer able to process 5000 format Pronto Hex. (Do I understand correctly that all other devices you have that use 5000 format Pronto Hex are also failing?)

I don't know what is involved in reloading or upgrading the firmware. If you know, try it. If you don't, ask and I assume some other expert will help.

2) Maybe your preamp doesn't have correct support for the toggle bit in RC5. In that case the 0000 format signals would work all the time and the 5000 format ones would work only on alternate presses. But if that were the case, I think you would have mentioned it.

If 5000 format really won't work, we can tweak the rc5.irp file in MakeHex to generate 0000 format signals for all the commands, which are far enough from correct that they won't be converted automatically be PENG to 5000 format, but close enough that the preamp will still accept them. But, you would be better off using the 5000 format, so first try to find and fix the reason 5000 format is failing.

As for the "dCS gear", if that's a seperate question, post a few details of what you're trying to do and what part of my email reply you couldn't figure out.

john,
I finally (thanks to you) were able to get the dCS gear work with the RC5 commands the factory sent. the number on the top i.e the "catagory" is indeed the System number but it has to be converted to HEX. so once I did that all went fine from there on.

so this is to confirm that my unit will work once the correct RC5 code is entered. now why it doesn't work with the preamp is still unknown.

John,
I still need your help converting 5000 format to 0000 formate. the three codes I need are
5000 0000 0000 0001 0010 0011
5000 0000 0000 0001 0010 0021
5000 0000 0000 0001 0010 0053
your help is much apprciated.
mohamed

Device Code: 16 Function: 17
0000 0073 0000 000B 0020 0020 0040 0040 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0040 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0040 0020 0CA4
Device Code: 16 Function: 33
0000 0073 0000 000B 0020 0020 0040 0040 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0040 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0040 0020 0CA4
Device Code: 16 Function: 83
0000 0073 0000 000B 0040 0020 0020 0040 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0040 0040 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0CA4

John,
thank you for the help, but guess what, when I put the 0000 formate you did above, it reverts back to the 5000 formate and it still doesn't work. what do you think?

That was Jon, not me who converted those codes for you (I was windsurfing at the time).

I still find it hard to understand that the 0000 format works and the 5000 format doesn't, but I do understand that a clean copy in 0000 format just gets converted to 5000 format.

I guess we need to generate unclean 0000 format. I may need to experiment a little with PENG to see how close I can get to the correct signal and still be far enough away that PENG won't recognise and change to to 5000 format.

The smallest distortion I could find that fooled PENG is in the following three signals. I think it's small enough that the real device shouldn't care, but I'm not certain. We also don't know for sure that 0000 format really does fix whatever problem is occuring in the ones that failed in 5000 format.

0000 0073 0000 000B 0020 0020 003C 0044 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0040 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0040 0020 0CAC

0000 0073 0000 000B 0020 0020 003C 0044 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0040 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0040 0020 0CAC

0000 0073 0000 000B 003C 0024 0020 0040 0040 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0020 0040 0040 0020 0020 0040 0020 0020 0020 0CAC