Jan,

Can you comment on if IR codes can be saved, ie downloaded/uplaoded?

Jesse

Jesse,

I'm not quite sure what you mean, but I'll try to answer anyway... All IR codes are stored in a Pronto configuration file.

Regards,

Jan

Jan,

Thanks for your reply but I'm sorry, I do understand what you said but still don't understand why macro groups are needed and why they need to differentiated at all.

As stated a "Volume Macro Group" makes no sense to me. A "Power Macro Group" makes no sense to me. Having one page of all power on/off seems silly. The (activity) page your on should of turned on the correct Equipment. If "Macro groups" are like "Activities" it starts to make more sense. It might also make more sense to me if they are like hierarchical menus. But limiting it to 5 buttons Per page defeats its purpose. If the activity is say Half running a DVD and Half running the receiver then, the top half should look like part of The DVD "Device template" and the Bottom half perhaps look like part of the receiver " Device Template". And maybe a few extra macros to turn lights off and screen down. All on the same page.

If the above is possible then any "Template" could be a "Macro group" and there does not seem to be A need for a distinction.

Another way of saying it is, I can't ever see the need for a page of "Just Macros" (except maybe for the purpose of editing them) you always want to mix and match macros with "normal" IR code buttons. I understand a macro could possible be just a single IR code. But again, why limit it to 5 buttons on a page why does the user (not the programmer) have to see them as different in ANY way.

According to Jack I can't do this at present but he suspects I will be able after the software is released.

Here is an example, I'm looking for a YES or NO.

I want a SINGLE SCREEN to do the following:

Common DVD Controls (that look like DVD Controls):

Play, Pause, Stop, Menu etc.

Preamp Controls:

THX (Toggle [separate on/off would be ok too]) (THX Icon would be a bonus)
AC-3 Compression (Toggle [separate on/off would be ok too]) (Night Icon would be a bonus)
Hard Mute Button would be a Macro to Pause the DVD and Turn on the lights.

You can answer NO today, YES tomorrow (YES does not require THX bonus Icon etc.)

Probably the best move for Pronto or Take Controls would be to put the manual up on the net in PDF format.

The 24 bitmaps on the Take Control are the button bitmaps and not the font for labeling from what I understand. Yes, the Take Control has one 4x5 Button Template that can be infinitely configured by choosing what Bitmap you want in each cell and then optionally labeling it. At least that's how I understand it. And any button can be macro and some buttons can jump to other pages. How much simpler and flexible can you get.

P.S. The number of words used to describe something is a good indication of well it's designed (the above paragraph describes most of the Take Control) :-)

So let me get this straight....

17 devices , averaging 8 pgs per device,
averaging 10 keys per page, and 144 different
characters/icons available.... that's 17 times
8.....1 carry the 2....works out to...

1360 base 144....hmmmm....

The limit I specified was PER PAGE (or Pronto users would call it templates) !!!

As opposed to 17 Templates (or what ever the number is) in which the only customization is visible or not.

The HK has 1 template but rather than a button be Visible/NoVisible you choose from 24 bitmaps for EACH button. That is, you can make your own template !!!

That not even getting into device limits, page limits etc.

As soon as "templates" can be designed by the user then your in the infinite realm.

i saw such a device on an old star trek episode.and if you pressed the right button the remote turned into a beautiful alien girl with ten hands who would scratch your back as long as you wanted.

I heard it was icon number 46 on the Pronto
that'll give you the blue-green alien chix.

Too bad the HK stops at icon 24...oh well....

George,

According to my definition, a Pronto template is a 'hidden' device from which a 'real' device can be created. Any device, and therefore any template, is simply a collection of panels. A single panel defines a layout of buttons and frames. You cannot change this layout on the Pronto, but instead of having a single 4 x 5 grid layout, the Pronto comes with panels in a number of different layouts. On the Pronto each button can be made visible or invisible, and assigned a label. When assigning a label you can mix 48 symbols and 96 alphanumeric characters. For example, if you want to make a 'play' button, you can either label it with the play-symbol, the letters 'play' or both. You can do all this on the Pronto without any PC software. I fail to see how this is less flexible than having a fixed 4 x 5 grid with only 24 bitmaps to choose from.

Regards,

Jan

Think of the 4x5 grid not as a Template but as a RULE on how you can build your OWN template.

Are these 48 symbols Alphanumeric Size or can they they be Button Size (or the whole button Icon itself)?

What contains, for example, a large button sized "Double Right Arrow"? The Template or the symbols?

If the Template is strictly a layout and the "symbols" define the shape (or bitmap of those buttons) then it's not as restrictive as I thought. However if the template defines the shape of the button (like a double arrow) then I think it's more restrictive than the HK scheme (at least for the moment).

Thanks for being patient with me.

P.S. No body has answered my "Yes" or "No" question.

Jack and Jan,

You were right, how could I of doubted you, see my short review of the IRIQ in the IRIQ forum.

I hope the Pronto is a LOT better because I commited to my local dealer to buy one or the other if he'd let me try both.