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Can I use my existing RC5200 CCF in another device?
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Post 1 made on Friday August 20, 2010 at 00:56
BillB
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It has been a LONG time since I programmed this unit and I am not up to date at all with what is happening in the pronto remote world. However it recently took a "water hit" from someone in the family, and its days may be numbered.

When I wanted to tweak it I would have to dig out my old laptop running windows 98 and a serial port to use the old software. I have the CCF saved there also and backed up.

However there is a LOT of programming in that unit!! So the question is, is there a current remote I could purchase that would allow me to use or convert my CCF (understanding that cosmetically there may be some differences)? I don't really care much if it is color. Of course the CCF is B&W.

And I would assume if this is a more current device, it runs on Vista/Windows 7 and USB....I never could get my USB converter to work with the old software.

Any suggestions would be most appreciated. I would hate to lose all those hours of programming.

Thanks,
BillB
Post 2 made on Friday August 20, 2010 at 01:38
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The Pronto TSU 9300, 9400, 9600, 9800 or Nevo Q50 and S70 will allow you to import you CCF file but you will need to make a few changes and you might want to change the GUI to colour. Any links to IR codes will not be included either.


Cheers
Jason

Last edited by Jasonvp on August 20, 2010 03:35.
Post 3 made on Saturday August 21, 2010 at 01:36
Lyndel McGee
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My apologies for rambling here but I'm having trouble organizing lots of thoughts on this early morning.

If you purchase 9600, then you can use PEPV1 to edit your files and links will still be supported. The 9600 remote (and 9400 remote configs) can be edited and maintained in PEPV1. If you want support for the 9800 or the 9300, you must migrate your config into PEPV2.

To clarify about links being lost in PEPV2, if you move this PEPV1 config into PEPV2, your links will be "duplicated" in each an every action list that contains a link will have the real action(s) duplicated over and over again. In the latest PEPV2, if you know what "links" you had, you can convert them into Macros and store them in a special activity reserved just for macros. Not ideal, but better than nothing.

Note that you can take your existing RC5200 CCF and import it onto the NG platform just fine (you will want to tweak your graphics a bit). I recommend the 7000/7500, which are both discontinued color models. However, I loved the feel of the remote and it also had a great display.

Note that the TSU9300/9400 also have a 240x320 display and are both color. If you get either of these models or the 7000/7500, you will have the least work to do with regard to graphics but the PEPV2 editor required for the Pro models will introduce extra work in converting your file as mentioned above.


Have a look at the Pro Forum, specifically the Sticky threads and also search for "My Database" in the Pro Forum to understand better the concepts of storing your codes in a Database vs in hidden code pages.

Last edited by Lyndel McGee on August 21, 2010 01:44.
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Post 4 made on Saturday August 21, 2010 at 01:45
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One final note. If you are using RF extenders, you can continue to use the ones you have with the 3000/3500/7000/7500. If you move to the Pro Models, you must purchase new wifi-based extenders.
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OP | Post 5 made on Monday August 23, 2010 at 23:20
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Lyndel,
Thanks so much for all this great info!!! Somehow I figured it would not be easy. At least I have SOME choices when it dies. Although having to re-code all those codes and Alias's would not be my first choice.

The good news (for now), is I think my RC5200 has come back to life. It has run fine for a few days now.

So, I may have a bit more time with it.

Since you are so intimate with it though, if I want to just keep programming for the RC5200, is there software (and a USB to serial adapter) that works that would allow me to continue to use my current RC5200 CCF and program with some software that runs on Vista 32??? 

In addition to the above fun, I found myself digging out that 10 year old laptop with a serial port running windows 98 to add a new component.

FWIW, it is a DVDO iscan Duo.....and the manufacturer's supplied CCF file with discrete IR codes cause the emulator in the "touchscreen" software to crash with an illegal operation whenever one of these codes is played back. I have no idea what it does not like about those IR codes....

They are here:
www.anchorbaytech.com/support/documentation/automation.php

Could there be something special about these IR codes that the software does not like?  The "remote" "learned" or "non-discrete" panels it plays back just fine.  I have not downloaded to my RC5200 yet due to the crashes. I have learned my lessons over the years!

Any thoughts on why discrete codes would crash the emulator?  Could they perhaps crash the emulator but play back fine on the real remote??  If I can't get the discrete codes to work, that kind of defeats the whole purpose of this exercise.


Thanks,
BillB
Post 6 made on Thursday August 26, 2010 at 10:01
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Lyndel - Was at a customer's Home in NY city, yesterday. While there, he informs me that his aprox 10yr old, Murantz remote, at his beach house in Fire Island home is apparently working but the screen has gone black. Remote was installed by another company; before we began taking care of his electronics at all of his 3 homes.

Planning on hooking up with customer later today to get Murantz remote; model unknown at this time. What I remember from the last time I saw it, it was a black & white. Simular to a TSU3000 or possible something earlier.

I have programmed many Pronto TSU3000 series remotes but never done a Murantz. Until I get remote in my hands & able to ask about a specific model #, would like to ask: Did these Murantz remotes work with Philips pronto B&W program or have there own proprietory program? Used a USB to mini USB cable? Compatible with windows XP? Looking for general answers for now. For now, trying to get a rough idea if I can use my computer with XP & Philips programing to grab CCF, Edit & dump into a TSU7500 I have around. Have already done a TSU3500 CCF into a TSU7000. Its the Murantz product I have no experiance at.
Post 7 made on Thursday August 26, 2010 at 22:48
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Chuch Jr.

RC5000/5200/9200 use Touch Screen Setup here in the files section. Note that CCFs are interchangeable between editors but the firm keys are different. For example, you lose Firm2 and Firm3 when moving from Philips to Marantz and you lose the Cursor Keys and at either Menu or OK when going the opposite direction. If it is an NG Marantz (RC9500/RC5400), you will need to use the PCFSwitcher to change between editors. The Marantz NG editor is wizz.it and is in the files section here.


And it was a TSU3500 PCF (not CCF) that you moved into a TSU7000 color PCF format.

BillB,

See the FAQ and/or search for Keyspan.
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Post 8 made on Friday August 27, 2010 at 11:32
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BillB

As far as the discrete IR codes are concerned, I own a DVDO Edge and many of the codes (Mosquito Noise reduction codes for instance) are the same. Not sure what is going on with your emulator, but they work fine in mine.

As far a serial interface is concerned, if you still own a desktop, buying a serial card is a great alternative and is a lot cheaper than a serial-USB adapter. NewEgg sells them.
Jim L
OP | Post 9 made on Friday August 27, 2010 at 19:58
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Jim L,
Thanks. I am not sure what the story is either. However after talking to DVDO, I copied the IR codes from their buttons into my new buttons and then they worked.

They said they created them in another editing program. Not sure what the story is either, but the codes themselves seem okay attached to my buttons. There was just something about how they were linked to their buttons.

I already have a serial to USB adapter, but it does not go to ports 1 to 3 like the FAQ wants....

And I use a laptop for that work so a serial desktop card would not be the best. But that is a thought. I could just install it on an old desktop.

I guess from what I read, the same software I use, the Marantz touchscreen works with XP but not vista. I do have an XP desktop lying around.


Thanks again for the input.
BillB
Post 10 made on Friday August 27, 2010 at 20:53
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You can always try Tonto from [Link: giantlaser.com]. It will edit the CCF files as well.
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Post 11 made on Saturday August 28, 2010 at 09:21
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As Lyndel says, I use Tonto myself, but the Marantz software will work with Vista and/or Windows 7. Even 64 bit works fine.

Last edited by bomberjim on August 29, 2010 11:20.
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Post 12 made on Sunday August 29, 2010 at 13:15
chuch jr
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Thanks for every ones help.

Downloaded Touch screen set-up from this site hooked up my serial cable between Marantz & computer & could not get program to transfer to computer.

By looking around rem central I determined that my cable was not pinned out right. Corrected this & tried again. Still no communication between remote & comp.

Did another search on remote central & determined serial to usb converter was set up for COM port 4 & needed to be set to COM1. Made this correction & remote begins to communicate with comp. File transfered & I begin to look at it in order to plan migration to a TSU7500 with required changes.

While looking at computer, I holding on to RC5200 & it appears to display its screen when held certain ways. I figure out the thumb wheel on side for LCD briteness at fault. Being a TV repairman many many yrs ago, prompted me to open, clean control, reassemble & del back to customer.

NO NEED FOR ALL THE COMPUTER STUFF BUT THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE WILL BE VERY VALUABLE IN FUTURE!
OP | Post 13 made on Monday August 30, 2010 at 19:15
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chuch jr,
Since you took yours apart, perhaps you can help me out!
I have the RC 5200 and I would like to replace the screen on one that has a scratch, with another that does not.

There are two screws on the back that look like hold the RC5200 together. They look like Torx screws am I right? Any idea what size? Once I get in there, how hard would it be to take out the old screen and replace it with one from another RC5200? I don't care if I mess up the broke one getting it out, but need to keep the working one working when I install the new one! :)

I noticed the FAQ has some instructions on replacing the screen, but it is for a different model.

Thanks,
BillB
Post 14 made on Monday August 30, 2010 at 22:33
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It a small torx. Not sure of the #. Maybe #8? I have to ck my bench in store & see what label on torx tool I used. I've had tool awhile & picked it up @ true Value.
After taking out 2 screws, had to use a small flat screw driver to pry open seam around sides. Once open, I didnot go past exposed board. All I had to do was spray a very light amount of "Zepreserve" into side of control. The ? is how much dexterity do do have & not sure whether you need solder iron.

Practice with remote your removing good screen from. This way if you have accident like breaking case you will know how not to do it on remote your keeping.

If in doubt, find a local TV repair shop where the owner looks like he's over 45 or he learned from his dad. 25+ years ago, TV repair people all had to solder & replace small parts. Some1 like this maybe able to help you with this part of the job.
Post 15 made on Tuesday August 31, 2010 at 10:56
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This site may be of help: [Link: joey6p.com]. It's for a Pronto TS1000 but it should be similar. The blue text links to photos of the procedure.
Jim L
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