I have several situations where the vendor's ir remote sends a togle command or a "select next from list" type command. The most common problem is obviously the "Power on/off" versus separate "on" and "off" commands.

I have heard one way of tackling this is to buy a cheap "all-in-1" remote that has separate on and off buttons, but I can't find any.

How are people solving this problem? How do I get a vendor's command ("Pioneer's surround-sound mode selector" for example) to set individual settings instead of toggling?

Keith "striving to forever eliminte out-of-sync problems"


P.S. Hopefully; once we all have the pronto software, we can put up on a web site all these solutions and just download them :-)

Sorry, I didn't realize most of this has been carried out as conversations in other topics. perhaps it's helpful to move it to it's own thread, perhaps not.

Remote Central needs a search command.

Remote Central needs a FAQ, Hint Hint :-)

Daniel, think of the recognition.

Think of SGHT giving pointers to your site and the FAQ !!!

Has anyone (Jack?) obtained "power on" only commands for yamaha an/or pioneer equipment? When the software comes out I'd like to exchange files.

Keith,

I was able to find the "power on" for my units using one-for-all universal remote. I presume all of them have the magic key at least the one I used has this key.
To start enter the 3-digit code for the unit you want to control for example sony tv 000. Make sure the all-in-one controls that unit. To find the power on, turn the unit off. Press the magic key and any three digits combination i.e., magic 101, magic 102 etc until the unit turns on. I was able to find "power on" for three of my units in less than 30 minutes. To find "power off", turn unit on and repeat process. I was not interested in "power off" since that taken care of by the power button on the remote which sends a togle command. With these "power ons" included in macro, units will turn on if off or stay on if already on.
Hope this helps.

Tony

Thanks for clearifying how you did that. Can you tell me exactly which "all-in-one" you have? Last check at Targets there were about 10 different models of packaged programmed remotes.

Sony is unusual in providing both power toggle and explicit on and off commands. Even they don't provide explicit codes for all their equipment, however.

For those of you collecting info in anticipation of getting your hands on ProntoEdit, here's the IR code for 'Sony TV On':


0000 0067 0000 000d 0060 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018

0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018

0030 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 03fc


and for 'Sony TV Off':


0000 0067 0000 000d 0060 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018

0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018

0030 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 03de


For other equipment, there's an old trick of sending two power toggles about half a second apart. Quite a lot of equipment goes 'deaf' to IR just after switching on, for perhaps a second or so while it initialises. If the equipment was off, the second power toggle will often be ignored (because the unit's still 'deaf'). If it was on, it would switch off, then immediately back on again, since there's no 'deaf' period after switching off ('entering standby' to us engineers :-).

I could kick myself. While I have created macros that intentionally send "setup" commands that are ignored if the unit is off, I never thought to attempt this with the power on/off command itself. Thanks for the idea!

Well, the power command idea didn't pay off. Guess I'll continue searching for power-on commands.

Keith

The universal remote that I used is the
"one for all 6 upgradable". It has "URC 4005" on the back and in the manual. It may be the model number.

The power on/off routine suggested by "a helpful person" didn't work for me either. The inability of Pronto to differeniate between on and off seems to be another of the unit's shortcomings. This is in addition to the low megahertz (56 kHz) learning level that precludes its use with Pioneer Elite product remotes that have RF codes above 1 megaHz.

The ability to differentiate between power on and off is not a function of Pronto or any other remote, it's an issue of (dumb) mfrs not providing such a code set to begin with. Some mfrs have the codes in their library but do not publish them not provide them on their remotes (dumb). The good news is that mfrs are starting to listen more to the custom installation community and are starting to therefore provide for "explicit on" and "explicit off" commands in their libraries and on their remotes (Marantz being one such mfr, and there are others)...Perhaps Meridian has the best idea, select a source and the unit turns on, then just select off and the unit turns off. At present, as posted elswhere, the only way I know of to provide absolute power control is via the SmartLinc Houselinc system using probes which monitor state (via RF, low vdc, Hi vdc, or sync pulses). Then the Houselinc executes the macro that has been stored. We use this in combination with Pronto and it works flawlessly.
With respect to the same (dumb) mfrs that strayed into proprietary IR land for a time, they again took excessive heat from the custom install community for doing so and in most cases have come back down to reality. Let's hope that they stay here. The reality is that mfrs somehow believe that having a proprietary IR code scheme will somehow endear(force) people to buy only from them....a bit like PS2/MicroChannel I should think and we know how great that was.