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URC-7210 "Big Easy" remote button reprogram help needed.
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Post 1 made on Friday February 26, 2010 at 16:09
digitaltoast
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I send an email to OneForAll asking about whether the URC7210 could learn.

The reply (after many days!) was

Unfortunately the Big Easy does not have the Learning feature.

You can always program any key with a customize function as long ass the basic code is in the memory of the remote and the remote works for basic functions.


I thought "that's OK, as long as I can move them around". After an equally long time, my new remote arrived.
But I can't find anywhere the button reprogram setting!

I have found that that code 0435 makes my Vistron MX-200i (also known as KingChampion) respond.
 
However, the keys are in the wrong order. Can you please let me know how to work the feature you told me about, as I cannot find it in the manual.
 
Or can anyone suggest a better code for my Vistron MX-200i internet radio? 
I've done a lot of clicking (Over the 150 it suggests) and 0435 is the only code that makes it respond at all.
 
button 1 on the remote  is preset 1
2 is 9
3 is back
5 is Power
7 is "recall preset"
8 is 0
0 is 7
PR- is menu down
PR+is preset 8
Mute is preset 2

I have also emailed One For All, but 4 working days for a response is a bit long!
Thanks.
Post 2 made on Friday February 26, 2010 at 19:05
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Setup code 0435 for which device button? Audio?

If it is Audio, see if you can use Audio 0420. That has the same protocol and device numbers. The remote will blink twice if it accepts the 0420 setup code.

EDIT:
Ah, now I see that this remote only has TV setup codes. There are a couple of ways to go here.

1) Try each of the following setup codes, which all have the same IR protocol and device number-- NEC1, device 0. If the remote accepts the setup code, try pressing the number buttons, and volume, etc. Maybe you can get a close match.

2) Try all 256 possible Extended Function Codes. I'm not sure about your remote-- whether it uses 3 digit or 5 digit EFCs. But you can use a digital or cell phone camera to decide .

The basic procedure (using 0435) is to press Magic, and then either 3 or 5 digits. When you enter the last digit, the remote will send the IR signal. Use the camera to see if the remote sends a signal after 3 or 5 digits.

Once that is clear, with the radio on, start with 000 or 00000 and try each number up to 255 or 00255. Write down what happens for each EFC. Once you have all the working EFCs, you can do a keymove to assign the EFCs to the remote buttons of your choice.

1) Press Magic until 2 blinks,
2) Enter 994
3) Press Magic briefly
4) Enter the working EFC
5) Press the desired button to assign to.

Repeat for each working EFC.

Last edited by 3FG on February 26, 2010 19:36.
OP | Post 3 made on Monday March 1, 2010 at 16:11
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First up, BIG thanks for your quick reply - I didn't see it as I've not quite worked out how the forum notifies of a new post. Anyway,

If it is Audio, see if you can use Audio 0420. That has the same protocol and device numbers. The remote will blink twice if it accepts the 0420 setup code.

Doesn't like that.

2) Try all 256 possible Extended Function Codes. I'm not sure about your remote-- whether it uses 3 digit or 5 digit EFCs. But you can use a digital or cell phone camera to decide .
The basic procedure (using 0435) is to press Magic, and then either 3 or 5 digits. When you enter the last digit, the remote will send the IR signal. Use the camera to see if the remote sends a signal after 3 or 5 digits.

Very clever! Using my camera, I see this model uses 5 digits.

This is what I found (all prefixed with enough 0's to make 5 digits)

36 vol +
37 vol -
40 on/off
52 on/off
54 "up" direction key
56 Store preset
57 preset 4
58 Vol -
100 UPNP windows shares menu
165 = -/--
185 = preset 3
187 = preset 2
246 = Media Player (mode)
248 = preset 5
249 = preset 7

Either I stuffed up or wasn't paying attention, but I don't appear to have them all. Are you saying there's nothing after 00255? I accidentally found that 00884 is power and 00885 is preset 1 and 00888 is menu(?) so there's something up there but the will to go from 0000 to 00999 is not high!

So, with code 0435, I have (URC-7210 button : actual function)

1 is 1
2 is preset 9
3 is back
5 is Power
7 is "recall preset"
8 is 0
9 is shuffle
0 is 7
PR- is menu down
PR+is 8
Mute is 2

plus the codes I found above.

So let's say I hadn't found preset 8 from my search, but I know that PR+ is 8 on the URC, could I then somehow reverse find what EFC that was by "blinking back" the code, as you do with Magic codes?

Is there any way of filming the blinks (I have a 50fps camera) then slowing them down?

By the way, 0435 is also listed as a code for Elbe, Kennedy, Kneissel, Seleco, Singer and Stern

Also, if it helps, this is the remote file from the set itself:

begin remote

name lirc.txt.conf
bits 16
flags SPACE_ENC|CONST_LENGTH
eps 30
aeps 100

header 9090 4420
one 641 1606
zero 641 482
ptrail 641
repeat 9097 2168
pre_data_bits 16
pre_data 0xFF
gap 107937
toggle_bit 0


begin codes
# r1c1 - POWER
O 0xB24D
# r1c2 - not present
O 0x30CF
# r1c3 - not present
O 0x28D7
# r1c4 - MUTE
W 0xF00F
# r2c1 - PRESET1
C 0x08F7
# r2c2 - PRESET2
D 0xC03F
# r2c3 - PRESET3
E 0x807F
# r2c4 - REPLY
M 0x609F
# r3c1 - PRESET4
F 0x906F
# r3c2 - PRESET5
G 0xB847
# r3c3 - PRESET6
H 0xF807
# r3c4 - STORE
i 0xB04F
# r4c1 - PRESET7
I 0x9867
# r4c2 - PRESET8
J 0xD827
# r4c3 - PRESET9
K 0x8877
# r4c4 - not present
H 0xA857
# r5c1 - PRESET0
L 0xE817
# r5c2 - "--/-"
k 0x02FD
# r5c3 - RECALL
j 0x6897
# r5c4 - VOL+
U 0x32CD
# r6c1 - BACK
N 0x48B7
# r6c2 - RC_UP
p 0x708F
# r6c3 - PLAY/PAUSE
a 0x20DF
# r6c4 - VOL-
V 0x12ED
# r7c1 - SKIP_PREVIOUS
Z 0x50AF
# r7c2 - SELECT
R 0x2AD5
# r7c3 - SKIP_NEXT
Y 0x7887
# r7c4 - STOP
b 0xA05F
# r8c1 - MODE
c 0x00FF
# r8c2 - RC_DOWN
q 0x58A7
# r8c3 - BROWSE
d 0x38C7
end codes

end remote

Last edited by digitaltoast on March 1, 2010 16:23.
Post 4 made on Tuesday March 2, 2010 at 01:14
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Things to know:
For many Ir protocols, the data is confined to 8 bits, and that is the case with the NEC1 protocol. It only takes 3 digits to represent 8 bits, and actually the nubers from 0 to 255. If you enter 256, it rolls over and is the same as entering 001. So 884 (Power) is the same as 116.

Next, there is a Lookup Tool.  If you select TV and device 0435, you can see the EFCs.  Button 5 (which provides the function of Power) is EFC 116.  The good news is that testing 884 (same as 116)  gave the same result as the 5 key.  The bad news is that apparently testing 116 didn't operate Power, which means something went awry during the testing.

The NEC protocol device number is 8 bits, and in the protocol is followed by its complement (255-device).  Similarly, it takes 8 bits of data, which is followed by the complement of the data.  So the LIRC data looks reasonable:
predata is 0xFF, the same as 0x00FF, which means device 0.  Looking at Power, we see the data is 0xB24D. B2 + 4D is FF, so the function data for Power is 0xB2 (178 decimal).

I've used RemoteMaster to convert between EFCs and function numbers.  WIth the NEC protocol, it usually makes sense to list function numbers which are the bit reversed complement of the data like B2 above.  So in the following table, I've listed EFC, OBC (which is the conventional function number, and the hex numbers from the LIRC table.  All of the OBC above 127 are generated using the LIRC data, and the ones below 127 arise from the behavior of the remote using 0435 or the results of your tests.  It turns out that all of the LIRC numbers are even (like B2) and all of the discovered numbers are odd.  In fact, with 2 exceptions, for the same function, the LIRC numbers are complements of the discovered numbers.  This is somewhat unusual, but it appears that the Vistron is responding to either the first or second byte of the data in the NEC protocol.   Here I've made the assumption that when you've referred to e.g. "7", it is really preset 7.

So I recommend that you use the OBCs above 127, and use the 994 keymove commands to store the corresponding EFCs to the buttons of your choice.  Use these instructions if you aren't familiar with keymoves.

mode

18

255

0

 

preset 3

14

254

80

 

preset 2

12

252

                             C0

 

play

19

251

20

 

stop

15

250

                            A0

 

reply

17

249

60

 

preset 4

142

246

90

 

skip prev

144

245

50

 

RC_up

145

241

70

 

preset 1

82

239

8

 

preset 9

78

238

88

 

back

80

237

48

 

recall

81

233

68

 

preset 0

77

232

                            E8

 

preset 7

206

230

98

 

RC_dpwn

208

229

58

 

preset 8

204

228

                            D8

 

browse

211

227

38

 

preset 5

207

226

                            B8

 

skip next

209

225

78

 

preset 6

205

224

                            F8

 

--/-

34

191

2

 

vol down

162

183

12

 

vol up

163

179

32

 

Power

159

178

                            B2

 

select

99

171

                            2A

 

test V +

36

76

                            CD

comp

test v-

37

72

                        ED         

comp

test -/--

165

64

                            FD

comp

test Media Player (mode)

246

30

87

?? comp to back

test preset 5

248

29

47

comp

rem PR+ (Ch+) fun 8

251

27

27

preset 8? comp

rem PR- (CH-) fun down

247

26

                         A7

comp

test preset 7

249

25

67

comp

rem 0 fun 7

249

25

67

preset 7? comp

rem 8 fun 0

122

23

17

preset 0 comp

rem 7 fun recall preset

118

22

97

?? comp to skip next

rem 5 fun Power

116

20

                 D7

comp to r1c3 (not present)

rem 3 fun back

119

18

                  B7

comp

rem 2 fun pr 9

121

17

77

preset 9? comp

rem 1 fun 1

117

16

                  F7

preset 1? comp

testv-(2)

58

15

                  0F

no match

test up

54

14

                  8F

comp

test preset 4

57

9

                  6F

comp

test preset 2

187

3

                  3F

comp

rem mute fun 2

187

3

             3F                

preset 2? comp

test preset 3

185

1

                  7F

comp

Last edited by 3FG on March 2, 2010 01:39.
OP | Post 5 made on Tuesday March 2, 2010 at 15:58
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Wow. 4fg, that has to be the most comprehensive reply I've ever received! I learnt so much there it took me a couple of hours to absorb it!

Just one thing I'm not quite "getting" though - if I want to use the EFC for "mode" I should press "MAGIC > 00018" or for "preset 3" I should use "MAGIC > 00014" etc? It's not working like that. What have I missed (it's late!).

Thanks again.
Post 6 made on Wednesday March 3, 2010 at 01:22
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Well, maybe I guessed backwards. Here's the complement of the LIRC converted to EFCs. 
vol up 036
vol down 037
Power 040
RC_up 054
skip prev 055
preset 4 057
select 100
preset 1 117
recall 118
back 119
preset 9 121
preset 0 122
--/- 165
play 180
mode 181
reply 182
stop 184
preset 3 185
preset 2 187
browse 244
skip next 246
RC_dpwn 247
preset 5 248
preset 7 249
preset 6 250
preset 8 251
OP | Post 7 made on Wednesday March 3, 2010 at 02:42
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On March 3, 2010 at 01:22, 3FG said...
Well, maybe I guessed backwards. Here's the complement of the LIRC converted to EFCs. 
vol up 036
vol down 037

That's the ones! Right, I have a bit of key shifting in front of me, but you've cracked it! Thanks SO much!

Now, the big question is: why is none of this detailed in the manual, and why have OFA customer services still not got back to me? Anyway, you've answered the question brilliantly.

EDIT: Scrap that last bit - they got back to me and want me to send in the original remote and they'll make a new code for it!

Last edited by digitaltoast on March 4, 2010 01:56.


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