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Radio Shack 15-2117 Learning problem!
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Post 1 made on Sunday November 14, 2004 at 23:57
np1908
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I seem to be hitting a rough patch with making 15-2117 learn from my Denon AVReceiver's (RC-865) remote commands.

I tried all possible positionining - angles, distances - though I managed to make it learn a few keys, I spent another 30-45 minutes to try it learn a few more keys from by receiver's remote - hitting a big road block here. (I didn't yet try this with my other remotes VCR/DVD etc)

Anybody using 15-2117 suggest a better working way to make it learn. Is this a problem even with OFA URC 9910 - guess, they are the same remotes..

Is JP1 the only alternative ?

On the other hand, I also have a Sony RM-AV2500 - learning is a easy operation there! Just one try - that's it. Done.
Post 2 made on Monday November 15, 2004 at 00:51
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You might be out of memory, the 2117 can only learn about 25 commands for the WHOLE remote. And you can't teach to the POWER key. The av2500 will never run out of memory.:)
OP | Post 3 made on Monday November 15, 2004 at 01:24
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I have just made it learn a few keys (3 keys in all!). As I said, I just started with my AVReceiver. I am sure, it should learn more than 3 keys.

Dont think it's a memory issue, IMHO.

Thanks for responding.
Post 4 made on Monday November 15, 2004 at 01:30
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It may have been a return, someone else might have taught it commands. That remote was being discontinued for over a year, probably when they run into memory shortage, it was returned.
Post 5 made on Monday November 15, 2004 at 06:48
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On 11/15/04 04:57 ET, np1908 said...
On the other hand, I also have a Sony RM-AV2500
- learning is a easy operation there! Just one
try - that's it. Done.

There is a single pool of learning memory shared by all the device modes. If you nearly filled it with Sony signals, you had very little left for the Denon signals.

The Denon signals are just as easy to learn as the Sony signals, so if it isn't a memory full problem, it probably is a battery problem in the Denon remote. Batteries in a remote become too weak to be used in teaching another remote well before they become too weak for the remote to operate the actual device.
OP | Post 6 made on Monday November 15, 2004 at 09:42
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Edmund,

Could you elaborate.. Not clear.
Post 7 made on Monday November 15, 2004 at 09:53
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On 11/15/04 04:57 ET, np1908 said...
I also have a Sony RM-AV2500
- learning is a easy operation there!

I misunderstood that on first read. You mean the RM-AV2500 is another universal that was able to learn the Denon signals. I thought you meant the RM-AV2500 was another source remote from which the 2117 was able to learn.

Edmund meant that you might have a 2117 returned by an earlier customer and not know it. In that case memory in the 2117 may be filled with signals learned by that earlier customer.

If you're willing to start over in programming the 2117, you should start with a full reset as described here:
[Link: remotecentral.com]
That will get rid of any programming you did to the 2117 and any done by a previous customer if there was one.

This message was edited by johnsfine on 11/15/04 10:08 ET.
OP | Post 8 made on Monday November 15, 2004 at 16:56
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Regret, if I have mis-communicated earlier.

I am making 15-2117 learn from my Denon remote. It learned a couple (that too after repated tries) - later, ERRORed out everytime I tried. And I tried for nearly 45-mins with different angles, distances, etc.

(The point about RM-AV2500 is that it learnt on the first try from my Denon remotes. I was just giving a comparison. I didn't try 15-2117 learn from RM-AV2500.)

I will try with Johnsfine' option. I do remember defaulting it to factory settings - but not sure, that would have erased the learned keys. I will try and let you know..

Meanwhile, I would like to hear the experiences of others who have done learnign with 15-2117? Is there anything special which need to be done for learning? Like Angles - 45% , 30% placment etc ? Whatever keys 15-2117 learnt is due to my 35-40% placement.

Thanks all for responding. Appreciate your help.
Post 9 made on Monday November 15, 2004 at 17:51
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I always do the learning straight on and about an inch apart.

Some models have two IR LEDs. I forget whether the 15-2117 is one of those. If there are two, then both are used for sending IR but only one is used for learning. You need to aim at the right one.
Post 10 made on Tuesday November 16, 2004 at 07:55
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On 11/15/04 21:56 ET, np1908 said...
Meanwhile, I would like to hear the experiences
of others who have done learnign with 15-2117?
Is there anything special which need to be done
for learning? Like Angles - 45% , 30% placment
etc ? Whatever keys 15-2117 learnt is due to
my 35-40% placement.

Thanks all for responding. Appreciate your help.

np,
Nothing special to learn to my 2117. It seems to take signals very well. Like John said, about an inch apart. Never have I paid any special attention to which LED I point to, just the red window. Head to head.
Jim
OP | Post 11 made on Tuesday November 16, 2004 at 13:24
np1908
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It worked!

Thanks Johnfine for your suggestion. I deleted everything and started again, it worked. As Edmund said, probably, somebody tried to make it learn keys and sold it, the moment it couldn't learn more.

As to learning, you need to place it head-to-head, but a little to the side. It doesn't work if its exactly head-to-head.

Thanks again, for your help!
Post 12 made on Thursday November 18, 2004 at 09:12
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The 2117 (also 2116) does have 2 IR leds. Each is ~11/16ths from the outside edges.
The 1994 is setup the same way (dimensionally) and the LEFT led has the "arrow" mark denoting that it's the "learning IR/and second send IR led"; the right led being just a send IR led (similar with the C6/7 with it's "arrow" at the left IR led).

Assuming that they kept that design, as you hold the remote normally, the "learn led" is ~3/8ths-1/2" left of the red led indicator on the top surface. If you center the "teaching remote" to ~ 3/8ths- 1/2" leftward of center on the 2116/7 you should be "beaming" straight into the learning led.

My own experience with UEI learning remotes is that a 2" spacing between the two remotes is pretty "optimal" for learning. Also, relatively dim ambient lighting helps, so don't learn in the brightest lit room or area, and especially avoid strong sunlight lit areas when learning signals.

Better success will also occur when BOTH the learning and teaching remote have good batteries.

Jim


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