Hi,

I just bought a Kameleon URC 9660. I had read on a KISS-dvd-player forum that this was a flexible remote. They even mentioned that a wav file was available for upgrading it to the remote of my flexible standalone DVD/Divx-player (with lan). So I bought it. Alas, it seems now that this wav only works for a Kameleon 6 in one.
After bit 'googling' I found this site. I even found a description file for the remote (ccf). I could even translate this in text (see below). However, I cannot make it into a wav with the right 'signature code' . I found that for a URC-8060 (6 in 1 Kameleon, the code should be: KAME, but for the 8 in 1 Kameleon ??.
Furthermore, I have no experience in creating a wav.

I would be very grateful if someone could make a wav that is suitable for my urc 9960. I will post that one as well to the KISS-forum (http://www.mpeg-playcenter.com), with appropriate credits.

Below is the text that should be made a wav suitable for the KISS-remote control. If it helps, I can also email the WAV that was posted on the KISS forum (or the CCF)

Thanks!

ProtocolDeviceSubDevOBCEFCMiscDecodeUDBFunctionSequenceKeyPanelDevNameTopFreqOnceRept
RC52512RC51PowerKiss DP-500DVD
RC52574RC51SetupKiss DP-500DVD
RC52545RC51`EjectKiss DP-500DVD
RC52566RC51TitleKiss DP-500DVD
RC52567RC51MenuKiss DP-500DVD
RC52572RC51BackKiss DP-500DVD
RC52565RC51SubtitleKiss DP-500DVD
RC52576RC51SrchKiss DP-500DVD
RC52541RC51ClearKiss DP-500DVD
RC52569RC51AudioKiss DP-500DVD
RC52573RC51AngleKiss DP-500DVD
RC52550RC51`Scan_BackKiss DP-500DVD
RC52552Learned1`Scan_ForwardKiss DP-500DVD
RC52581RC5`Left_ArrowKiss DP-500DVD
RC52580RC5`Right_ArrowKiss DP-500DVD
RC52586RC5`Up_ArrowKiss DP-500DVD
RC52585RC5`Down_ArrowKiss DP-500DVD
RC52532Learned1`Track_ForwardsKiss DP-500DVD
RC52533RC51`Track_BackKiss DP-500DVD
RC52587RC51EnterKiss DP-500DVD
RC52553Learned1`Play/`PauseKiss DP-500DVD
RC52554RC51`StopKiss DP-500DVD
RC52548RC5StepKiss DP-500DVD
RC52570RC5MarkKiss DP-500DVD
RC5251RC51Kiss DP-500DVD
RC5252RC52Kiss DP-500DVD
RC5253RC53Kiss DP-500DVD
RC5254RC54Kiss DP-500DVD
RC5255RC55Kiss DP-500DVD
RC5256Learned6Kiss DP-500DVD
RC5257Learned7Kiss DP-500DVD
RC5258RC58Kiss DP-500DVD
RC5259RC59Kiss DP-500DVD
RC5250RC50Kiss DP-500DVD
RC52568RC51zoomKiss DP-500DVD
RC52564RC5RepeatKiss DP-500DVD
RC52517RC5vol-Kiss DP-500DVD
RC52516RC5vol+Kiss DP-500DVD

There is a Kiss upgrade in the JP1 files area containing the 40 functions listed below. Like the barely readable list you posted, this is RC5 protocol, device 25. I didn't compare the full list of commands you posted to this list.

Using JP1 tools you can create a .wav file from an upgrade such as this. In doing so, you must decide which functions go on which buttons. The upgrade I mentioned assigns 34 of the 40 functions to buttons on the 9960 (it skips Angle, Back, Mark, PowerOff, PowerOn and Zoom). I think that's the most you CAN assign in a 9960 DVD upgrade via a simple .wav upgrade. The rest (if you want them) would need to be assigned manually by KeyMoves.

If you use the JP1 software youself, and especially if you use the JP1 cable rather than .wav, you can decide for yourself which functions you want on which keys and include the KeyMoves (to have more than 34 functions assigned). You can also easily add any functions you may have found elsewhere that are missing from the list of 40 below.

But if you don't want to learn that software, I'll try to find some time shortly to convert the existing upgrade to .wav form and post it in
[Link: hifi-remote.com]

000 -- num 0
001 -- num 1
002 -- num 2
003 -- num 3
004 -- num 4
005 -- num 5
006 -- num 6
007 -- num 7
008 -- num 8
009 -- num 9
012 -- Power
016 -- vol+
017 -- vol-
032 -- Track_Forwards
033 -- Track_Back
041 -- Clear
045 -- Eject
048 -- Step
050 -- Scan_Back
052 -- Scan_Forward
053 -- Play/Pause
054 -- Stop
061 -- Power Off
063 -- Power On
064 -- Repeat
065 -- Subtitle
066 -- Title
067 -- Menu
068 -- zoom
069 -- Audio
070 -- Mark
072 -- Back
073 -- Angle
074 -- Setup
076 -- Srch
080 -- Right_Arrow
081 -- Left_Arrow
085 -- Down_Arrow
086 -- Up_Arrow
087 -- Enter

This message was edited by johnsfine on 11/10/04 14:39 ET.

I apologize for the barely readible list in my first post. I just did a 'copy-paste' on a table like output (with tabs probably), without trying a preview.... Next time I will do a check!
Concerning your offer to create a wav for me: I would really appreciate that! Maybe that in the future I'll buy a JP1 cable to experiment, but for now this is just perfect!

Thanks!!

I'm nearly ready to upload that .wav file, but if you answer quickly you can change some of the arbitrary choices I'm making. (I also might edit it after you test and make suggestions, but before is better if you know the answers).

I found the DVD/0841 upgrade for the urc-8060 in that other forum. That is a near perfect match, so I renamed this upgrade DVD/0841.

Some button position questions (questionable changes I made to the posted upgrade file)

I put the "back" function to the "exit" key, because that's where the 8060 had it.

The "exit" key had been the "Clear" function, which I put on the "Mute" key, which used to be an extra copy of the "Vol-" function.

I put the "Angle" function on the "input" key because Angle in the 8060 was on a key the 9960 lacks and that upgrade file didn't assign Angle.

I left CH- (as that file had it) as a duplicate for the SkipBack key. Both are the "Track_Back" function. The 8060 upgrade had CH+ as an extra copy of track_Forward but had some strange function (I'm pretty sure incorrect) on CH-.

I left out Mark, PowerOff, PowerOn and Zoom.

Missing Keys can be defined as KeyMoves using EFC numbers:
229 - Mark
082 - Power Off
018 - Power On
037 - Zoom

Suggest any rearrange of keys you think will help.

This message was edited by johnsfine on 11/10/04 17:47 ET.

I just uploaded that file to
[Link: hifi-remote.com]

The .wav file in that .zip is what you need to use for the upgrade.

The .rmdu file is what I built it from. If you get a copy of RemoteMaster
[Link: sourceforge.net]
You can open the .rmdu file to see which functions were assigned to which keys. That's also the first step if you want to modify it (but for that you also need IR.EXE and IrToWav).

This message was edited by johnsfine on 11/10/04 18:01 ET.

Thanks for spending your time doing this! I have tried it immediatly. I got the "sound file into the remote", and could choose 0841 all-right. But, I am sorry to have to say that some keys do not work (like the arrow keys), while others only work after pressing it twice (e.g. the eject). The title key and power-key do work however.
Do you have any ideas ?
If you need a more complete test on which keys do and which don't let met know, and I'll try them all tonight (Netherlands, GMT+1).
Again, thanks for your time.

Did you ever use the remote's learning process in that device mode?

Loading and selecting an upgrade does not remove any learned signals, KeyMoves, or macros that may have been defined before, and any of those would have priority over the definitions in the upgrade.

If any functions of an upgrade work, the whole process is nearly right. Most errors in the upgrade that are possible at that point would put functions on the wrong keys, so a key would do the wrong function rather than do nothing.

I assume you're testing with two remotes, the 9960 and the original. When doing that, you should understand the "toggle bit" in the RC5 protocol. That means there are actually two different versions of each function and the device won't accept the same exact signal (function and version) twice in a row. Each remote will alternate which version it sends. But if you send a command with one remote, then send the same command with the other it might be the same version and not work, but then would work if you pressed it again. (If you use learned signals rather than an upgrade then the same version is sent every time and you can get it accepted only by sending a different command in between).

For eject, it would be good to find out if it needs a long press or just needed to be aimed better, or was that issue of testing with both remotes, or if it somehow really needs to be pressed twice.

For other commands, more detailed testing will probably tell me what needs to be fixed.

Great tip! That is one thing I'll try tonight at home. I've got my remote second hand, so that might just be the case!
Thanks.

The OFA instructions for the 9960 aren't very good. I hope you've found good instructions for deleting learned signals and KeyMoves.

When you get a second hand OFA remote, it would be best to start with a 981 reset (which is an undocumented, by OFA, full reset) to get rid of anything preprogrammed that might confuse you.

But, if you've already programmed in a lot of support for your own devices, that reset would mean you need to start all over, so some less drastic way of clearing those possible learned signals may be better.

I just did a factoryreset by using the code 977 (this one is documented), and after that I assigned the DVD/841 code, and it works much better!! I can use the navigation keys, etc.
Just a few more keys I have to learn my remote. For the time being I have done that via IR LRN mode, by using my old remote. It of course would be better if I could create a wav-file myself (and add the "menu" to the "menu"key, and the "search"key to the input-key). I'll have to dig into that sometime....
Once again, thanks for all your help!!

Even if you don't make your own .wav files, learned signals shouldn't be the next choice.

You can use EFC KeyMoves to put functions onto keys.

I thought I had put the Menu function on the Menu key. Are you sure that didn't work.

I put the search function on the "Rand" key. You could KeyMove it to Input using the Rand key as the source, or using EFC 036 as the source.

I had missed the "rand"-key! That is also just perfect. I will try using EFC KeyMoves to put functions on keys. About the menu-key: I have tried (more than once) the menu-button when there should be a reaction from my dvd-player. It did not. After learning via IR mode, it did work. I'll check it again, will do a factory reset, and add DVD/0841 again.
BTW. For my TV (Panasonic Quintrix) I was looking for the 'teletext' key, but could not find it on the 9960. I learned it via IR, or is there again a better solution via EFC KeyMove?

Oeps! Seems I did not test it correctly previously!! The menu-key works afterall!

BTW. I just posted a link to this thread on mpeg-playcenter.com:

[Link: mpeg-playcenter.com]

That sort of thing belongs in its own thread (or find someone else's existing thread on European Panasonic TV's) not in a thread about a Kiss DVD.

Probably it can't be done via EFC. The Panasonic TV uses multiple subdevice numbers so the main setup code probably uses two-byte hex, which is incompatible with EFC KeyMoves.

On a quick search of CCF files, I see lots of functions (R,G,Y,B,Reveal,Hold,etc.) in the "teletext" panel of Panasonic TV's, but I don't see a specific "teletext" key. So I don't know which subdevice it is and haven't looked for which subdevices (if any) have alternate setup codes that do allow EFC KeyMoves.

It doesn't seem worth it for one learned signal.