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Any way to access INDEX on my JVC vcr?
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Post 1 made on Monday August 4, 2003 at 22:16
Cico Buff
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I have a recent model low-end vcr, a JVC HR-A591U. Because it is stripped down, it doesn't have an INDEX feature, to find the start of recordings. However, i noticed that when I use the INDEX feature on my other VCR, I can still find the INDEX location of recordings made on the JVC. So the JVC does put index marks on the tape, but how to get the JVC to find the INDEX marks? I tried the first 255 EFC's on my C7 remote, and couldn't get it to find the index mark. I used a JVC remote from an older VCR that has the indexing feature, but it didn't work on the HR-A591U.

Anyone know of a way that I could convince my JVC that it CAN read the INDEXING marks on the recordings it creates, if it will only try? Could JP1 help here, or perhaps EFC's from other JVC vcr's? Thing is, if I can't get the JVC to locate the indexing marks that it records, the VCR is useless to me. All it has is a counter, and it's just too time-consuming to find anything on tape otherwise!

Post 2 made on Monday August 4, 2003 at 22:23
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Not even the top of the line JVC vcr's have manual index marking.
OP | Post 3 made on Monday August 4, 2003 at 22:38
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I'm not looking to manually mark the indexes, my JVC already does index marking automatically, at the start of every recording. I'm only looking for a way to get to -find- (and stop at) the index marks that it puts on the tape. After all, I figure that if it already puts the index marks on the tape, there must be a way to have it find them! I know that with some low-end models of electronics equipment, they simply don't put features on the remote, even if those features are already built into the circuitry.
Post 4 made on Monday August 4, 2003 at 23:40
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Does your oem remote have a "shuttle plus" ring? In stop mode, hitting the left or right directional key, sends it into index search.
Post 5 made on Monday August 4, 2003 at 23:56
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Try EFC 050 for reverse index, and 046 for forward index. They only work in stop mode.
OP | Post 6 made on Tuesday August 5, 2003 at 01:36
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Thanks for the responses; the remote I mentioned from the older JVC has that shuttle ring, and I had tried it (in stop mode), but no response. The 050 and 046 codes also don't do anything on my JVC. I just find it very strange that the VCR knows to put indexing codes on the tape, but there seems to be no way to access the codes on this model!
Post 7 made on Tuesday August 5, 2003 at 10:14
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Here's a blast from Cico Buff's past...
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Post 8 made on Tuesday August 5, 2003 at 22:20
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Robman: Forgive and forget.

Cico: It's true that some technology contains features not accessible from the included remote or mentioned in the device's manual. But if having an index-find feature takes extra programming or technology to be installed in the unit, then there's no reason to expect it to be there. It sounds like you've proven the VCR doesn't have the ability by searching all EFCs.

So sometimes it just takes hitting FFwd and watching. Kinda what I'd expect from a lower-priced model.

DBrown
OP | Post 9 made on Tuesday August 5, 2003 at 23:00
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On 08/05/03 10:14, The Robman said...
Here's a blast from Cico Buff's past...
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Yeah, that -was- a classic. Thanks for the laughs. Being that I have an actual life and all, I had completely forgotten those posts. But for you to scurry around in the background doing all this research on the many posts I made here in order to dredge up a particular two year old thread, and then repost those messages in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with those old messages, tells me that you spend an AWFUL amount of time here playing with your precious remote controls. And that you seem to be struggling with some serious "personal issues".

I'm just wondering what your mother thinks of your lifelong obsession, Bobby? I suggest you go upstairs and ask her. She might be able to explain some things to you about life that you missed learning as a kid. I'm sorry to see that two years later, you're still sore about the fact that I said you were stupid and useless. I only said that because to me, you are. I believe I made it pretty clear at the end that you were no longer invited to participate in my threads. Take a hint geek, and get a life already.
OP | Post 10 made on Tuesday August 5, 2003 at 23:20
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On 08/05/03 22:20, DBrown said...
Robman: Forgive and forget.

Cico: It's true that some technology contains
features not accessible from the included remote
or mentioned in the device's manual. But if having
an index-find feature takes extra programming
or technology to be installed in the unit, then
there's no reason to expect it to be there. It
sounds like you've proven the VCR doesn't have
the ability by searching all EFCs.
So sometimes it just takes hitting FFwd and watching.
Kinda what I'd expect from a lower-priced model.

DBrown

But the JVC -does- have the technology installed in the unit to record the indexes, so there was every reason to expect it to find the index marks that it is able to record, and to believe it simply wasn't accesible from the included remote, because it is intended to compete against the company's higher end models. However, you're right that I had already proven for myself that the vcr can not accept any scan codes for finding the index marks. I was hoping someone might have found an indexing scan code on another JVC device code. But I later tried to search the EFC's for the two other JVC vcr device codes, but neither of those even worked on this model (and one of them only works on the 15-1994, but not the C7).

I guess the moral of the story is: JVC SUCKS. They are insane to expect people to search through 6 or 8 hours of tape with nothing but a tape counter to guide you. Which is already useless if you haven't put the tape in yet. You end up having to stop the tape up to 12 or 16 times to look for a half hour show. And it probably wouldn't have cost them 5 cents extra to include the ability to index search, when the machine already does the hard part of indexing, and other machines at its price point have no problem doing such basic tasks as indexing. Fortunately, I have at least two other better vcr's that can do index searches, so I'm dumping the JVC. Perhaps I should just leave it on JVC's doorstep with a note that says "This bucket of crap isn't even worth the resources it took to make it. If you can't do better than this, give it up."

Post 11 made on Wednesday August 6, 2003 at 11:15
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CB,

Your logic has a few flaws. Boilded down, you postulate: If the machine can write index marks, it should be able to read them as well (and also allow use of that). That's fine in a wishful thinking world, but certainly doesn't follow the business model approach: you get what you paid for.

You apparantly think all the features of "upper level" devices should be included on lower-end devices as well. BUT, what's the purpose of even having multiple models, and upper and lower end models?

If your thinking was true, people would quickly learn that If I can get ALL the features of an upper end model on a lower priced unit, why bother to pay the extra? No one would bother buying the upper end models.

How about: they didn't bother deleting the index writing capability on the lower-end model, so you actually got a BONUS in that your other upper end JVC models can actually use them? They just didn't happen to think that It was neccessary to delete that festure, since they already deleted the reading capability. As I see it, you actually got more than you paid for.

If you wanted another JVC with "reading" ability, then you should have paid the extra bucks to get a model that supported it. I'd say you didn't do your homework first and check out just what features the vcr had, so I'd call that bad planning. Blaming JVC for your mistakes isn't fair to JVC. No one forced you to buy a cheaper model expecting upper-model features. Now, if JVC advertised and claimed it had index reading features on that model and it didn't, then you'd have a legitimate complaint, and grounds for action. If they didn't even mention the index writing feature that it does have, you got more than you paid for.

Jim
Post 12 made on Wednesday August 6, 2003 at 13:49
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On 08/05/03 23:00, Cico Buff said...
Yeah, that -was- a classic. Thanks for the laughs.

I must agree quit humorous especially the continuous multi-year pattern: Robman posts a short remark followed by long diatribe from Cico

By the way you didn't mention what setup code you are using with the vcr. If it's 1067 or 0067, try efc 046,050, and 179. If 179 works, the vcr may appear to just be rewinding, but then hitting rewind or ff will allow you to set the index.

It seems unlikely that JVC would actually take the functionality out of the vcr, but they could easily change it in the firmware making it inaccesible.

ext
OP | Post 13 made on Wednesday August 6, 2003 at 14:56
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Something tells me you didn't take your Wheaties this morning, James. I didn't intend for a drawn out debate on the issues of why JVC didn't include a way of accessing the index feature that was nevertheless built into the machine. That's just "beyond petty". This thread should have ended a long time ago, as I have given up on getting the index code a long time ago. I just came by briefly just to see if it would help with the index problem. I have no intention of staying (don't worry insecure lil' Robman, you're still #1 geek 'round here). This response will be my last and I won't be checking this thread any longer. If you continue to respond and draw out this thread, I won't be listening, so it will only be to help inflate your ego. I'll bet that like your buddy Rob, you won't be able to contain yourself.

{{Your logic has a few flaws. Boilded down, you postulate: If the machine can write index marks, it should be able to read them as well (and also allow use of that). }}

That isn't "flawed logic", it's simply called "logic" and "common sense". It only seems that you struggle to acheive these qualities, so not surprising that you would not understand this. I never said that it was true, only that it was a "logical" assumption - and I even gave a reason for why that was so.

{{That's fine in a wishful thinking world, but certainly doesn't follow the business model approach: you get what you paid for.}}

The value of a product is completely relative to the consumer. For example, if you gave me a touchscreen Pronto for my C7, I would tell you to get lost. The Cinema 7 at a fraction of the price does more for me than a Pronto, and so has more value. Geddit? You most certainly do NOT "get what you pay for", you simply get what the manufacturer put into the product. You're the one that puts the value in after.

{{You apparantly think all the features of "upper level" devices should be included on lower-end devices as well. BUT, what's the purpose of even having multiple models, and upper and lower end models?}}

No, MORE Wheaties, James. Not less. You need your vitamins. Or something. You are positing a strawman argument. You're basically arguing with yourself on a point I never made. Don't "apparently assume" anything, since I never said that. What I did say was -one- feature should be -accessible-, but might not be because of the fact that it is a lower priced model. Try reading more slowly next time, your comprehension might improve.

{{If your thinking was true, people would quickly learn that If I can get ALL the features of an upper end model on a lower priced unit, why bother to pay the extra? No one would bother buying the upper end models.}}

You see, again, that's YOUR thinking, strawman. Does it make you feel clever to attribute ideas to people that they never expressed, and then argue against them? If so, more power to you. You and Rob make a good "Insecurity Boys Tag Team". LOL! I'm sure it will SHOCK you to know that I happen to have vcr's and other equipment upon which I can access features with EFC codes that were NOT on the original remote. And you thought you knew everything about remote controls! Damn!

{{How about: they didn't bother deleting the index writing capability on the lower-end model, so you actually got a BONUS in that your other upper end JVC models can actually use them? }}

How is it a BONUS if I can't access the feature on the vcr? Are you still grappling with that logic thang?

{{They just didn't happen to think that It was neccessary to delete that festure, since they already deleted the reading capability. As I see it, you actually got more than you paid for.}}

Well hell, if we're gonna stretch it THAT far, I didn't pay a dime for the vcr. So even if only the clock worked on the vcr, I actually got more than I paid for, genius.

{{If you wanted another JVC with "reading" ability, then you should have paid the extra bucks to get a model that supported it. }}

Why? I already have 3 other vcr's that have that capability? Here's another stupid assumption of yours: for NO MORE than the price of the HR-A591U, you could get a vcr that has "reading ability" as you call it, and a heck of a lot more features than the JVC. Only naive consumers like yourself would think that it must cost more for somthing as basic as indexing.

{{I'd say you didn't do your homework first and check out just what features the vcr had, so I'd call that bad planning. }}

Whereas I'd call it "you're so hopped up on foolish assumptions you have no freakin' idea of what you're talking about, but that doesn't seem to slow you down".

{{Blaming JVC for your mistakes isn't fair to JVC. }}

Oh yes, IT IS. JVC is churning out crap warmed over, and they know it. You could basically go into the same store that carries the JVC, put on a blindfold and pick any other model in the store. If its the same price as the JVC, it will likely have indexing. If YOU did your homework Postulater, you would see that it doesn't cost more for that feature at the price level of the JVC.

{{No one forced you to buy a cheaper model expecting upper-model features. }}

No one forced you to be a presumptious fool either. And yet you are, by golly.

{{Now, if JVC advertised and claimed it had index reading features on that model and it didn't, then you'd have a legitimate complaint, and grounds for action. }}

Now you're talking about me suing JVC because they didn't include a code for accessing the indexing feature on my low end vcr?! How do you people come up with this stuff?! Geez, you and Rob really should get together and chip in on getting a life. Or at least stop huffing gas fumes.

{{If they didn't even mention the index writing feature that it does have, you got more than you paid for.}}

I would say you'd be a good shill for JVC, but then, I don't think you're clever enough to convince a team of monkeys that bananas are good. Thanks for the yucks, Jim, it was real fun. I always get a kick out of you uber-geeks.
Post 14 made on Wednesday August 6, 2003 at 15:54
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On 08/06/03 14:56, Cico Buff said...
This response will be my last and I won't be
checking this thread any longer.
If you continue to respond and draw out this thread,
I won't be listening

On 08/06/03 11:15, jamesgammel said...
That's fine in a wishful thinking world



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Post 15 made on Wednesday August 6, 2003 at 18:26
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Cico? Is that pronounced "Sicko"? Or is it pronounce "Kicko"?

"What I did say was -one- feature should be -accessible-, but might not be because of the fact that it is a lower priced model. Try reading more slowly next time, your comprehension might improve."

(This is actually more accurate than your original statement)

No, my comprehension is fine, you originally said:

"After all, I figure that if it already puts the index marks on the tape, there must be a way to have it find them! I know that with some low-end models of electronics equipment, they simply don't put features on the remote, even if those features are already built into the circuitry"

Here you said it mite not be put on the REMOTE, although its in the "circuitry" (firmware?-jg) It's well known that many times a feature is available in the firmware of a device, even though it may not be supported by the oem remote, that's why we bother to do efc searches.

This guy reminds me of "lime popsicle".

Jim
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