I'm trying to control the surround toggle on my JVC receiver from the Surround button on my Cinema 7 remote. I need it to work regardless of the device currently in use (SAT/DVD/TV/VCR).

Seems like I need the equivalent of volume punch-through. What's the best way to handle this?

Thanks in advance :)

Keymove the surround command from audio device to the other devices.

Thanks Edmund... that'll do it!

Oops, that's doesn't do what I want.

It leaves the receiver as the active device, not the device I was using before pressing Surround.

Any other ideas?

I don't think what you want can be done without a 'software boost' called an extender which means the use of JP1. Find out more at

http://www.hifi-remote.com

ext

What are you saying, the remote was set to dvd, you pressed the surround button you keymoved, afterwhich the remote is now set to the receiver? That shouldn't happen, while at least on all my remotes it doesn't.

Key moves don't change the current device. You might have created a macro with the 995 command instead of the 994?

Hal

Then you did something wrong. What Edmund suggested will work, I guarantee it.

Here's how you would copy the SURROUND button from RCVR mode to DVD mode...

1) Press and hold SETUP, two flashes
2) Type 994, two flashes
3) Press RCVR, SURROUND, DVD, SURROUND, two flashes

Then repeat for all the other device modes.

Rob
http://www.hifi-remote.com

Keymove is using an advance code to add a missing function to a setup code.

BUT----It's ALSO to move a function already assigned to one setup code and device to ANOTHER setup code and device, EVEN IF you aren't currently using the first setup code for a device. What you want to do is keymove your receiver's surround buttons to the *surround* buttons on your dvd and/or other devices. That WON'T leave or change your current device to the receiver. You can, if you want, keymove the surround to all your other devices.

A more common use of this is to keymove volume buttons to the other devices if the remote will only VPT the TV and you want to use your receiver in all modes to work the volumes.

Jim

What a great group! Thanks for all the suggestions. You're all correct, but it still ain't working. Here's what I've done:

I tried programming the key mover again, but at the end I get one long flash instead of 2 short ones. I thought maybe I was out of memory, so I deleted a macro on another key, verified that it was indeed deleted, then tried key mover again, with the same result.

I then tried deleting (resetting) the Surround button in DVD mode, which ended with 2 flashes. However, the button still toggled the RCVR surround on/off!

I figured there must be a macro in the Surround button, so I did a macro delete (995). Now the key does nothing in DVD or RCVR mode. Presumably this means that the receiver's device code (JVC 0074) has nothing programmed for the Surround button on the Cinema-7.

Next I programmed the Surround button in RCVR mode with the advanced code for Surround On/Off Toggle (184 -- the 4 codes I found online don't work). This works fine in RCVR mode.

Next I tried key mover to copy this to the DVD device, but I still get a long flash at the end of the key sequence.

Finally I read online that key mover can only copy the original advanced code from the device code list, not any manually entered advanced codes programmed later.

I think this is all consistent with the way the remote is supposed to work, but I still can't see how to achieve what I want. Other than perhaps a "software boost" via JP1. I'd rather not get into that if possible.

Pete

1) Press and hold SETUP, two flashes
2) Type 994, two flashes
3) Press RCVR,
4) Press SETUP (just a short press)
5) Key in the EFC for the command (184)
6) DVD
7) SURROUND, two flashes

Repeat the whole process for each device (changing step 6).

The KeyMove process can't COPY a previous KeyMove from one key to another. It can put the same advanced code on as many keys as you have memory for, even in different device modes.

He didn't tell us the surround command was mapped via advanced code in the first place.

Thanks a million, Johnsfine. That solved the problem.

Edmund, sorry to throw you off course at the start of all this. As you know, it's impossible to look inside these remotes and see what you programmed years ago!

These toys may be powerful, but they have the worst user interface and documentation I've encountered in a many years. It's like the days when microcomputers had toggle switches on the front panel where you entered the 1's and 0's for each machine-code instruction.

Without forums like this, my Cinema-7 would have been in the trash long ago.

Boy is that WRONG!!!!!!!!With JP-1 you could have examined the eeprom contents and known every learned command, keymove, macro, or device that's in the remote. Also, You can save the configuration, experiment like a madman with keymoves, macros, etc, and if you didn't like the results, just dump the whole batch and re-configure the remote right back to the original configuration in a matter of seconds (from the saved file).

You also could have made a NEW device upgrade if you had to many keymoves to fill in the blanks with amp_0074 (If that's the setup code your receiver is basically functioning with. That would have put the surround toggle on the "surround" key, as well as efficiently added any other missing functions. Keymoves and macros are reduced to typing on your PC instead of all those button presses and 9xx commands done on remote keys.
"Impossible" isn't quite an accurate choice of words. Unatainable, in your case because you aren't taking the advantage of the "goodies" that JP-1 offers you, but certainly not "impossible".


There's much better documentation availbable at Rob's site; just because ueic didn't provide it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You haven't seen a pittance of the power these "toys" are capable of thru JP-1. It's like comparing a kids pair of roller skates to an indy car.

Jim

You know, if you hook that thing up to your computer using a JP1 cable, you can see EXACTLY what you programmed all those years ago, and chances are you'll delete most of it!

Rob