I like this thing, but I'm over the fact you can only learn about 16 keys (all modes combined) no matter what the manual says about 25.

Has anyone figured out how to do a master (mfg) reset with the Kameleon? Clearing out each mode individually doesn't work.

Thanks.

LarryMcJ

It uses the standard commands for UEI remotes, including 981 for a complete reset (Sets every device key back to default setup code, removes all upgrade, deletes all key moves, macros, and learned signals).

Do a long press of "P" or "Magic" (depending on which "Kameleon" you mean) then press 9 8 1.

Thanks! That cleared out everything and after starting over again I was able to learn all the buttons I needed.

Though it almost ought to be a thread in itself, I'll mention it hear in case someone is having difficult in learning to the Kameleon buttons. The IR is on the top left of the Kameleon and NOT in the front center. Thus, putting two remotes end-to-end will often not work. After I started moving the two remote's IR's together the Kameleon LEARN feature worked perfectly each time.

LarryMcJ

I should also point out that you should only use learning if you either (a) can't find a built in setup code that works your device, or (b) the setup code is a combo code that doesn't support advanced codes.

In most cases, the best way to program missing functions is using advanced codes. The remote should have enough memory for about 45 buttons programmed this way, and it uses a different memory bank than that used by learned signals, so one doesn't affect the other. Though advanced codes (aka "key moves") do use the same memory bank as macros.

Rob
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What is your logic for not wanting to use the LEARN command for a few functions that the setup code just doesn't address? It's works fine for me and saves me the hassle of JP1 or the Advanced Codes with the Kameleon. I know both of these will work, and the Advance Code approach isn't difficult to implement...just curious as to why when these are the only few buttons I need to program. If I were using this to control an entire home theater I would agree.

What someone really needs to do for the Kameleon is figure out a way to assign functions to the un-illuminated buttons and have them illumintate. I know they'll still work (if you know where they are)...but that's no fun :-)

Larry

This message was edited by LarryMcJ on 01/12/03 17:33.

Reasons for not using a learned signal when a key move using an EFC will do the same job:

1) The remote has room for more key moves than learned signals, so if you don't use key moves when you have a choice, you might not have room for learned signals when you don't have a choice.

2) RC5, RC6 and other protocols have toggle bits which often cause problems for learned signals.

3) Sometimes you get a bad but working learn of an ordinary signal and don't realize that the reason the device is slow to respond or picky about the aiming of the remote, is because the signal is imperfect.

How else (other than JP1): We have discussed how to define EFC based key moves and which protocols can/can't have them, in many threads here.

All keymoves programmed with advanced codes use up exactly 5 bytes of data, so if you replace one with another, there's no data fragmentation. Learned signals on the other hand use a variable amout of memory, so when you delete one of them and replace it with a smaller signal, there will be a few bytes of data lost. If you replace it with a larger signal, it will need to go to the end of the pile and the entire space previously occupied by the old learned command will be sitting there empty. As you can see, it won't take very long for you to have a very fragmented memory requiring that you erase everything and start over. (Before JP1 I had to do that a few times).

Plus, like John said, if you use learning when you don't have to, you probably won't have any memory left for when you do need it. Remember, there's only enough learning memory for about 24 buttons.

Rob