Okay, please bear with me since I have several questions- and I'm a newbie...so cut me some slack.
I first bought the 1994 last year after research lead me to Rob's site. I love the remote, the feel,layout,etc.- but for some reason it simply would not accept some learning input manually. Specifically, when learning the signals from my Zenith STB, it would invariably accept the first 98% of the buttons, then simply flash once and not accept further input. So I would try to clear the button giving me trouble-to no avail. When I try to clear all within that device, it clears anything else I've entered for other devices as well. It does this on 2-3 keys from my Yamaha receiver as well. So, I simply lived with it till I found the 2104 marked incorrectly at a RS and bought that. Same problems. I recently purchased a 8811 and programed MOST everything in there, but my wife just hates the thing, due to the tiny buttons and the need to look at it to operate.
Anyway, here are my basic questions:
Has anyone here had the above problem?
How hard is the JP1 stuff to tackle? (I don't consider myself a computer whiz, but not Joe Six Pack either. I joined the JP1 group at yahoo, but haven't really dove into it yet.)
Being new to Yahoo groups, is there some BB somewhere that I'm overlooking to read ALL messages? I just get a daily listing of recent ones. (Again, excuse the simple questions- I'm a simple fellow.)
If I do get a JP1 cable, will I then be able to program one of the three and then transfer all programming to the other two?
The reason the 15-1994 stopped learning was probably because you ran out of learning memory, there's only enough memory to learn about 20 buttons or so.
Are you 100% sure that there isn't a code for the STB, I would have thought that the newer remotes would have it. Either way, you should be able to use JP1 to create a new code for it if there isn't one.
As for how easy JP1 is, some people jump right in and it makes sense on "day one", others never quite get it.
If you log onto the Yahoo web site you can view every message since the group began (which is nearly 14,000 messages). the good news is you can also search thru them. You will need to use the Yahoo site to upload/download files.
If you don't want to take the JP1 plunge, you can try to optimize your learning memory usage. It sounds like you only need room for a couple more signals. Did you hold the original remote buttons down until the 1994 "took"? If so, go back and re-learn some signals by just pressing the original remote's button.
Generally speaking, the "short burst" method uses up more memory that the "long hold" method. By all means experiment both ways, but when in doubt, hold the teaching remote button down until the learning remote indicates that the learning is complete (RS and OFA remotes give a double flash when learning is complete).
I think I've already realized something I've been doing wrong. When I program for my Yamaha receiver, the DVD input never works, so I would clear the whole thing and 'learn' all the buttons manually...looks like I should just try again to add that one button. I thought I had done that before, but if the remote has only about 20 bttons of 'learned' memory- I know I'm way over that.
Okay, I am starting to understand. ;^) The learning memory eats up quite a bit more than the same results by advanced code. So, programs with the device codes, then with advanced for straggler buttons, then learn if necessary. I will try tomorrow night- tonight is Dart night, though.
Thanks again for the friendly assistance- particularly Rob-I originally bought these remotes because I'd read a Wall Street Journal that mentioned the hifi-remote website. Fantastic info there.
One last question(for now ;) - Once I get one of these remotes fully loaded- is there an easy way to transfer all info to the other 2 through the JP1 software and cable?
You can use JP1 to copy the contents of identical remotes to each other, but as your three remotes are all different, you cannot simply download from one and upload to the next one.
However, if you were to be using JP1, you wouldn't need to be doing all the messing around with key moves and learning that you are currently doing.
A JP1 user would simply create a new setup code that has every button that they need programmed. This is done is a supersonic spreadsheet called keymap-master. Once you have finished entering all the data in the spreadsheet you would then select the 15-1994 remote and copy the code into your 15-1994, you would then change the selected remote to 15-2104 and copy the code to the 15-2104, etc.
In following this thread, I've seen where others have been able to program up to 15 keystrokes into the 2104's function keys. I've followed the programming instructions from hifiremote.com (FAQ or tip #11 I believe) with no luck.
It looks like I get the proper response from the remote through the 9-9-5 code. After that, my remote doesn't seem to take my input.
I've put my receiver, TV, DVD, and VCR codes into the remote without any problems. Could I have exhausted the memory? Any thoughts?
Rob--If you used a preloaded device code (what UEIC loaded before it was sold) you didn't use any memory, or an insignificant amount. If you used a lot of learned keys, and macros it's possible you've exhausted memory. You didn't specify how you were able to program your devices into your 2104, so we really have no way of knowing how much memory and what type you've used. Using advance codes eats up less memory than learned buttons, so if you can find the advance codes for the missing keys of a preset device code you'd be better off, generally, to use the advance code. Using "up through the 9-9-5" part were you trying to program in an advance code to supplement a device code, or were you trying to "learn" a button from your original remote?
All my functions have been learned codes that I manually plugged in... I haven't tried any advance codes. This goes for the macros I was trying to plug in as well; I was keying in the sequence of button pushes necessary to get my Sony TV to the proper video setting and set it to 16:9 mode.
I'll give the advance codes a shot for programming my devices, then go manual with my TV needs. Thanks.
"All my functions have been learned codes that I manually plugged in" Are you saying you learned every button from all your device's original remotes? Did you first find a device code for each of your devices; i.e. TV0003, rcvr0891, dvd/ld0059, vcr0000? The first step in programming a remote is to find each device's working (or at least mostly working) device code. Then use learning and/or advance codes to supplement any missing buttons. By "learned" codes "that I manually plugged in", I'm assuming you're referring to the "975" procedure, whether to the "smart keys" or to any other key on your 2104. The "995" procedure in the 2104 is for programming in the "favorite channels" or the "power macro" (turning all desired units on in one keystroke). You mentioned the "FAQ" for the 2104 at rob's site. His site does have a pdf version of the original 15-2104 manual; if you don't have a copy of the original RS manual, I'd suggest printing a copy from rob's site, and going from there. His site also has a very nice list of available preprogrammed device codes, and the brand of units that generally operate. From there check his lists of advanced codes to suppliment what you may need (specific missing buttons), and reduce a lot of the learned memory you've used up. Macros will sometimes have difficulty exectuing from "learned" keys. If I read your post right, it appears all your devices are set at the default factory device codes, which have almost nil possibility to be the right ones for your devices.
Thanks for your time and effort with my questions.
I started with the device codes (like you mentioned), then manually put in any extra functions that weren't covered by the device codes. For example, with my receiver, I programmed all the functions from the number pad on its remote to my 2104 as these functions weren't included in the device code setup.
Your point about 995 being used on the favorite channels is putting me in the right direction... I was trying to put my command on the "s" keys. However, the function I'm trying to accomplish (go from TV to Video 4 with one touch) will only complete two of the four steps (leaving me on Video 2). It could be a function of the advanced code vs learned keys that you mentioned, so I'll give that a try too. Once I get this working, I'm looking to add in the button sequence to get my Sony TV to go from normal mode to 16:9 mode. Since this is 12 keys by itself, it will be on a second macro.
Thanks for the patience. I'll let you know how it goes...
I just came across some info that I hadn't seen before on Rob's site that, when combined with what you've already pointed out to me, looks promising for my programming needs. I'll work with it and let you know how I make out. That way, you don't have to spend any more time on this than is necessary. Thanks again.
Sometimes a device code may seem to work, and you may be tempted to quit right there and figure you have the right device code. You apparantly found a device code that works some of the functions, but not very many. The numeric keypad must have burnt up at least 10 learned buttons, and there were probably others as well. If I were you, I'd restart with finding a better working device code, one that works more buttons and functions than what you're now getting. If you used the remote's "search" mehtod to find your device code, you can "play back" the code to find out which decvice code it is. Refer to the manual how to have the remote tell you the device code programmed and operating on the device button. Jot down what it is. Then re-enter the search procedure to see if there's another one that will work your receiver, perhaps more buttons will work on another device code. Continue through all the device codes for "receivers" untill you find a maximum match, that'll reduce the number of learned keys you'll have to go through. If no pre-programmed device code drops the needed learned or advance code enters you have to do to say 3 or 4 buttons, I'd suggest JP-1 where you can "invent" a new device code that would contain all, or almost all the keys for your receiver. You'd have a head start since JP-1 could define the protocol that your receiver operates under, and by learning and "dumping" list the OBC's/EFC's for the learned buttons which you would need to make your new device code, if that becomes neccessary. I don't know what brand your receiver is, but Rob's site lists the device codes ie. amp0891, etc., and which brands are known to use it. If I recall correctly, under the 2104 you can enter the brand, device type, etc, and get all the preprogrammed device codes for the different brands, just select your receiver's brand and manually enter all the amp device codes till you find a maximized match. I'm betting there is a better match, and that will get you on the road to better success.
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