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RS15-1994/Cinema 6/7: Problem with intermittent advanced code
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Post 1 made on Tuesday January 11, 2000 at 16:14
SpispopD
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Hi all,
I have a RS 15-1994 that, thanks to this forum,
I have completely controlling my video equipment.
I have, however, been experiencing an intermittent
problem and, after much thought, I decided I would
turn to the Masters of Remotes that frequent this
forum.

Here is the problem: When I switch from any of the
other devices to tv the very first button I press
on the remote sends the device command rather than
the assigned advanced command -- for 10 seconds.
At 11 seconds the remote sends the assigned
command. In addition, if a native device command
is used within the 10 second envelope, subsequent
actions send the correct assigned commands regardless
of elapsed time. This appears to happen with the
tv macro only.

These are simple macros that change the source on
both the television and receiver for one button
viewing, i.e., macro 1 sets everthing for dvd,
macro 2 for vcr, macro 3 for tv. The macro sets
the current device appropriately, i.e., dvd,
vcr, or television.

Here is the equipment:
Code: Device:
0176 Yamaha HTR5150 Receiver
0000 Sony KV27-EXR25 Television
0503 Toshiba 3109 DVD player
---- Yamaha YV-1000 VCR* (by JVC, old but good)
*All learned since no codes seem to work.

Speculation regarding possible causes:
Perhaps the remote takes time to load up all of
the key mappings for the mode: perhaps there is
some way to have the critical mappings loaded
first. Is this related to the order they are
programmed? I haven't investigated this yet -- I
thought I would see if anyone out there could
shed light on my situation before I start hacking
away at the problem.

In any event, thanks for your attention.

:SpispopD
OP | Post 2 made on Tuesday January 11, 2000 at 17:41
Ingenious
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Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly.
Are you saying that you have a macro which
configures your home theater for watching TV, and
that, after this macro completes, you enter a 10
second envelope in which remote keys perform
their DEFAULT functions instead of the functions
selected by the advanced codes you assigned to
them via the 994 code?

-=Ingenious=-
OP | Post 3 made on Tuesday January 11, 2000 at 18:32
SpispopD
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Hi Ingenious,

(Ingenious writes in previous message):
"...you enter a 10
second envelope in which remote keys perform
their DEFAULT functions instead of the functions
selected by the advanced codes you assigned to
them via the 994 code?"

Yes, that is correct -- but only for the first
keypress within the 10 second envelope: subsequent
keypresses perform the advanced codes assigned to
them via the 994 code regardless of how much time
has passed -- even if it is less than ten seconds.

Using the television macro again re-initiates the
10-second envelope problem.

Pretty weird, eh? I wonder if it might be some
sort of memory fragmentation problem combined with
some sort of memory loading issue. I'm not sure,
but I think this macro was the last one I entered
so maybe the codes are spread over the last little
bits of available memory in different pages/banks.
Maybe it is loaded in bits and pieces in a way
that is an artifact of how I programmed (and
reprogrammed) them in. Maybe pressing a key
forces a "defragmentation" of active memory. Of
course, I am speculating -- I have no actual
knowledge regarding the architecture of this
device.

I think I will try reprogramming the macros with
the televison macro first and see what happens.

As usual, I am grateful for any comments,
suggestions, observations, etc.

:SpispopD
OP | Post 4 made on Tuesday January 11, 2000 at 20:24
Ingenious
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Aha! Have no fear, your remote is functioning
correctly.

With this second explanation of the problem, you
have revealed the critical fact: That only the
FIRST keypress results in the default function
being activated.

Here's hint number two: When you assign an
advanced code to a key which already has a
default function, you can still access that
default function by first pressing setup, then
pressing that key, a.k.a. the "shifted" version
of that key.

Have you figured it out yet? You need to
reprogram your TV macro. When you originally
programmed it, you accidentally ended it with a
single press of the setup key, instead of holding
down setup until you see two blinks.

The reason for the ten second envelope is that,
after ten seconds, the remote returns to a normal
state, assuming that you pressed setup by
accident, or have changed your mind.

You're welcome. :)

-=Ingenious=-
OP | Post 5 made on Tuesday January 11, 2000 at 21:42
SpispopD
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Aha!

Indeed, it seems that once again, like so many
manifestations of technology, this device has
done exactly what I said rather than what I
meant! :-/

Ingenious, thanks for your help! :-)

:SpispopD
OP | Post 6 made on Wednesday January 12, 2000 at 00:24
Ingenious
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...And thank YOU for the challenging and
educational puzzle. It's given me a strange
idea. Let's suppose you want to put a macro of
more than 15 steps on a key. You can't, but what
you COULD do, is put all but the last 15 steps on
a key, and finish it with a single press of
setup. Then, put the final 15 steps on the
shifted version of the same key. That way, you
press one button, which activates the first part
of the macro. When it finishes, it leaves the
remote thinking you've just pressed setup, which
means you can activate the other half of the
macro just by once again pressing the very same
button you just pressed. Interesting idea,
wouldn't you say?

-=Ingenious=-
OP | Post 7 made on Wednesday January 12, 2000 at 02:46
SpispopD
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Indeed!
Taking that in yet another direction:

One could construct a general setup macro that
would configure devices for a given context, say,
playing a DVD. The macro would end with the single
press of setup allowing the user to then select
one of several refinements for the macro. Such
refinements might include a macro that configures
the entire system for DTS setting all of the
speaker parameters, sound field settings, etc. A
different key would configure things for Dolby
Digital. Another key would set things up for
listening to CD and yet another for HDCD -- all
without taking up primary key functionality. It
would seem that, in some cases, such an approach
allows one to add useful functionality and maybe
even break up an otherwise too lengthy macro...

Hmmm... Intriguing!

:SpispopD
OP | Post 8 made on Wednesday January 12, 2000 at 21:50
Ingenious
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Yes, also a good idea! I remain convinced that
the collective brain trust on this forum knows
more about how to use these remotes than the
people who designed them.

It's like the difference between theoretical
physics and applied physics. They built the
realm, and are therefore the unquestioned masters
of the theory, but I don't think they could match
our knowledge of application, as demonstrated by
this thread. :)

-=Ingenious=-
OP | Post 9 made on Friday January 21, 2000 at 10:25
Nonsanity
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I'd say the readers of this forum know more about this family of remotes than the people who SELL them. :) The engineers obviously knew what they were doing when they made the Cinema 7 and others, but trying to get in contact with them can't be easy. We'll have to time our queries to those times they are lead out of the design dungeons for a little sunlight.

Groundhog Day anyone? :)

Non
OP | Post 10 made on Saturday January 22, 2000 at 04:30
Ingenious
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...and if they see their shadow, it's six more
weeks of incompetent service? :)

-=Ingenious=-


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