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Topic: | RS15-1994/Cinema 6/7: Problem with intermittent advanced code This thread has 9 replies. Displaying all posts. |
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Post 1 made on Tuesday January 11, 2000 at 16:14 |
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Hi all, I have a RS 15-1994 that, thanks to this forum, I have completely controlling my video equipment. I have, however, been experiencing an intermittent problem and, after much thought, I decided I would turn to the Masters of Remotes that frequent this forum.
Here is the problem: When I switch from any of the other devices to tv the very first button I press on the remote sends the device command rather than the assigned advanced command -- for 10 seconds. At 11 seconds the remote sends the assigned command. In addition, if a native device command is used within the 10 second envelope, subsequent actions send the correct assigned commands regardless of elapsed time. This appears to happen with the tv macro only.
These are simple macros that change the source on both the television and receiver for one button viewing, i.e., macro 1 sets everthing for dvd, macro 2 for vcr, macro 3 for tv. The macro sets the current device appropriately, i.e., dvd, vcr, or television.
Here is the equipment: Code: Device: 0176 Yamaha HTR5150 Receiver 0000 Sony KV27-EXR25 Television 0503 Toshiba 3109 DVD player ---- Yamaha YV-1000 VCR* (by JVC, old but good) *All learned since no codes seem to work.
Speculation regarding possible causes: Perhaps the remote takes time to load up all of the key mappings for the mode: perhaps there is some way to have the critical mappings loaded first. Is this related to the order they are programmed? I haven't investigated this yet -- I thought I would see if anyone out there could shed light on my situation before I start hacking away at the problem.
In any event, thanks for your attention.
:SpispopD
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OP | Post 2 made on Tuesday January 11, 2000 at 17:41 |
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Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly. Are you saying that you have a macro which configures your home theater for watching TV, and that, after this macro completes, you enter a 10 second envelope in which remote keys perform their DEFAULT functions instead of the functions selected by the advanced codes you assigned to them via the 994 code?
-=Ingenious=-
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OP | Post 3 made on Tuesday January 11, 2000 at 18:32 |
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Hi Ingenious,
(Ingenious writes in previous message): "...you enter a 10 second envelope in which remote keys perform their DEFAULT functions instead of the functions selected by the advanced codes you assigned to them via the 994 code?"
Yes, that is correct -- but only for the first keypress within the 10 second envelope: subsequent keypresses perform the advanced codes assigned to them via the 994 code regardless of how much time has passed -- even if it is less than ten seconds.
Using the television macro again re-initiates the 10-second envelope problem.
Pretty weird, eh? I wonder if it might be some sort of memory fragmentation problem combined with some sort of memory loading issue. I'm not sure, but I think this macro was the last one I entered so maybe the codes are spread over the last little bits of available memory in different pages/banks. Maybe it is loaded in bits and pieces in a way that is an artifact of how I programmed (and reprogrammed) them in. Maybe pressing a key forces a "defragmentation" of active memory. Of course, I am speculating -- I have no actual knowledge regarding the architecture of this device.
I think I will try reprogramming the macros with the televison macro first and see what happens.
As usual, I am grateful for any comments, suggestions, observations, etc.
:SpispopD
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OP | Post 4 made on Tuesday January 11, 2000 at 20:24 |
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Aha! Have no fear, your remote is functioning correctly.
With this second explanation of the problem, you have revealed the critical fact: That only the FIRST keypress results in the default function being activated.
Here's hint number two: When you assign an advanced code to a key which already has a default function, you can still access that default function by first pressing setup, then pressing that key, a.k.a. the "shifted" version of that key.
Have you figured it out yet? You need to reprogram your TV macro. When you originally programmed it, you accidentally ended it with a single press of the setup key, instead of holding down setup until you see two blinks.
The reason for the ten second envelope is that, after ten seconds, the remote returns to a normal state, assuming that you pressed setup by accident, or have changed your mind.
You're welcome. :)
-=Ingenious=-
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OP | Post 5 made on Tuesday January 11, 2000 at 21:42 |
SpispopD Historic Forum Post |
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Aha!
Indeed, it seems that once again, like so many manifestations of technology, this device has done exactly what I said rather than what I meant! :-/
Ingenious, thanks for your help! :-)
:SpispopD
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OP | Post 6 made on Wednesday January 12, 2000 at 00:24 |
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...And thank YOU for the challenging and educational puzzle. It's given me a strange idea. Let's suppose you want to put a macro of more than 15 steps on a key. You can't, but what you COULD do, is put all but the last 15 steps on a key, and finish it with a single press of setup. Then, put the final 15 steps on the shifted version of the same key. That way, you press one button, which activates the first part of the macro. When it finishes, it leaves the remote thinking you've just pressed setup, which means you can activate the other half of the macro just by once again pressing the very same button you just pressed. Interesting idea, wouldn't you say?
-=Ingenious=-
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OP | Post 7 made on Wednesday January 12, 2000 at 02:46 |
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Indeed! Taking that in yet another direction:
One could construct a general setup macro that would configure devices for a given context, say, playing a DVD. The macro would end with the single press of setup allowing the user to then select one of several refinements for the macro. Such refinements might include a macro that configures the entire system for DTS setting all of the speaker parameters, sound field settings, etc. A different key would configure things for Dolby Digital. Another key would set things up for listening to CD and yet another for HDCD -- all without taking up primary key functionality. It would seem that, in some cases, such an approach allows one to add useful functionality and maybe even break up an otherwise too lengthy macro...
Hmmm... Intriguing!
:SpispopD
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OP | Post 8 made on Wednesday January 12, 2000 at 21:50 |
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Yes, also a good idea! I remain convinced that the collective brain trust on this forum knows more about how to use these remotes than the people who designed them.
It's like the difference between theoretical physics and applied physics. They built the realm, and are therefore the unquestioned masters of the theory, but I don't think they could match our knowledge of application, as demonstrated by this thread. :)
-=Ingenious=-
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OP | Post 9 made on Friday January 21, 2000 at 10:25 |
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I'd say the readers of this forum know more about this family of remotes than the people who SELL them. :) The engineers obviously knew what they were doing when they made the Cinema 7 and others, but trying to get in contact with them can't be easy. We'll have to time our queries to those times they are lead out of the design dungeons for a little sunlight.
Groundhog Day anyone? :)
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OP | Post 10 made on Saturday January 22, 2000 at 04:30 |
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...and if they see their shadow, it's six more weeks of incompetent service? :)
-=Ingenious=-
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