I'm thinking of getting an A/V or Home Producer 8 (the old 8090 or 9800 model), because I now require the use of a timed macro. I have an RCA DirecTV system, which only gives me 8 timers to do all my timeshifting on my vcr, and I want to be able to record more shows than that, unattended, on a regular basis.
I've read that these remotes will only do 10 timed macros of 15 keystrokes (and NO Mon.-Fri. macros - smart thinking OFA!). Providing that I can set up each macro to change the channels on the RCA sat receiver, set the vcr to record, and turn the vcr off in LESS than 15 steps, does this mean I can ultimately program MORE than 10 macros? Or is there a "hard limit" of 10 timed macros, no matter the memory you have left? Does turning off the vcr after the recording -have- to be done in a separate 'OFF' macro (because if 10 is the limit, this means I can only program 5 shows on this thing!)? Or can you get around this by adding sleep key strokes in the 'ON' macro, in as many 15m increments as it takes to cover the timed vcr recording? I'm trying to get an idea of how many satellite broadcasts I can set up a Producer to record through its timer macros.
Also, my video components are in a cabinet with closed wood doors (there's a small gap in the doors at the top and bottom). Will the RF ver. (8090 / 9800) of the Producer remotes successfuly transmit a timed macro command through the closed doors? Since I hear the learning feature only works on the L keys, and the only device I have that requires learning is my RCA Sat Receiver, does anyone know if both the 8090 & 9800 models have the 0392 code that fully supports the RCA DirecTV remote? (Depending on whether the learning will really be useful, I haven't decided yet which, if any, of the two RF models would best suit my needs. I just know the non-learner can be had at a deep discount these days...).
Oh, is THAT the answer to my consideration of a timed macro remote? Don't purchase a Producer 8, and ditch all my VCr's for a ReplayTV or TiVo box? Okay, well let's take an objective look at that option... Would it cost MORE than an old Producer remote? If yes, that's strike one against it. Can I record my favorite shows to removable media, and build an (unlimited) collection of programming, that I can view again at any time? If no, that would be strike two on the idea. Can I lend this removable media to my friends so they can watch what I recorded? If no, then that would make it strike three. Can I set it to program at least 23 shows unattended (which I could do now if I had a remote that can do 15 timed recordings)? If not, strike four. If there are three strikes, then its out!
Of course, it does look like I would STILL need a new remote, because my C7 doesn't support the ReplayTV and TiVo codes, and I've just about no more learning memory to spare! That would be yet another strike... I'm afraid its not looking good for the coffers of Replay and TIVO!
Chill dude, that message WAS written with humour! Because you don't understand my sense of humour and I don't put smiley faces at the end of my paragraphs, doesn't mean I don't have one! I'd say it was in the tongue-in-cheek vein... I know you fancy the digital recorders, but don't assume I already know everything about them, because I only know they exist! I did however entertain your alternate suggestion to my remote query, but I was purely guessing that these new devices would not be a suitable replacement for my vcr's, judging by the nature of the technology. And if I was right that they do not have removable media, then no, I would not find them practical to use, as others might. I'm not big on technology for technology's sake...
Cico Buff asked: >Would it cost MORE than an old Producer remote? Yes, the cost is more than an obsolete remote.
>Can I record my favorite shows to removable media, and build an (unlimited) collection of programming, that I can view again at any time? Yes, at the expense of time to copy the saved show to VCR.
>Can I lend this removable media to my friends so they can watch what I recorded? Yes, as long as The FBI isn't standing over your shoulder.
>Can I set it to program at least 23 shows unattended (which I could do now if I had a remote that can do 15 timed recordings)? Yes, you can set nearly an unlimited number of shows to record, provided they are not on concurrently.
>If there are three strikes, then its out! One strike: clearly a winner.
And yes, with the purchase/construction of a cable for the JP1 connector, you CAN use your C7 remote to control the ReplayTV or Tivo
Well, Cico Buff, you just alienated the smartest, most helpful person re: OFA remotes alive. We've all benefited from his expertise and helpfulness, and now have remotes with substantially more capabilities than when they were new. Good luck with your remote issues from here on in...
Oh I know, I know.... I'm just so messed up about it, that I haven't been able to sleep at night, since. I can't concentrate on work and my social life has gone down the tubes since then, because all I can think to myself is "What have I done?! WHAT HAVE I DONE??!". But you know, now that you mention it, if the "smartest, most helpful person re: OFA remotes alive" doesn't know dick all about the Producer models, and can't answer my call for information re: its basic functions, and instead responds with some stupid, thoughtless, useless, ridiculous, unsolicited and irrelevant comments, where I am being advised that I should just forget every question I had and go with some completely different technology which I did NOT inquire about, which does NOT address my query, which it turns out will NOT solve the issues I raised in my message, and which will only incur further problems, while this awkward non-solution attempts to solve others.... ... Well then he can't be all that smart and helpful, can he?
But you're right, maybe I'm not thinking this through and seeing all sides here. Maybe the reason "The Robman" was unable to properly respond to the query, is simply because of certain contractual obligations to TiVo and Replay, whereby he is being paid good money in marketing fees to push this dubious technology onto anyone who looks like they could be suckered into buying anything with the word "digital" slapped onto its side, without thinking to observe that it is actually far inferior to the so-called "obsolete" product it attempts to replace, no matter what their question is (a tactic of which I have no doubt, DOES in fact work on most technophile gadget freaks, always ready to buy the latest toys...). So you see, I do try to keep an open mind, Steve. But then if the "smartest most helpful person alive re: OFA remotes", and all the OTHER respondents in this thread, aren't able to answer a single one of my basic questions about the capabilities of an OFA Producer remote, it sure doesn't look like I had very much luck here on my simple "remote issues" to begin with, does it? What EVER am I going to do now, Steve??! It looks like now I'm REALLY done for, doesn't it?! Welp, as difficult as it will be to give up my present alias, since it has such a lovely ring, I guess I'm just going to have to post under a DIFFERENT alias. Much like you just did, "Robman". I mean "Steve". ;-)
But just between you and me, "Steve", I don't think that will be necessary. If "The Robman" is the "smartest most helpful person alive re: OFA remotes", then that would make me the SECOND smartest, second most helpful person re: OFA Cinema remotes on this group. As such, its pretty rare that I would post a query message on this group, or even VISIT the forum! (Which I've only started doing on an on-off basis recently, because I bought a new piece of equipment a few weeks ago which caused me to work on my C7 again, but otherwise, I haven't read the forum in about two years...). I admit I've always had a bit of a thing for URC's, which is a very male fetish, and the OFA Cinema's are my favourites, and the best I've seen and the best of all the ones I've owned... But its not MY LIFE! We're still talking about a damn remote control, aren't we??! When I read the messages on this forum, I sense there are a lot of people here that really take this shit, not to mention THEMSELVES, far too seriously. Get ma drift, "Steve"? For me, there is NOTHING about the subject of remote controls that is very important. Even though I know a lot about the remotes I own, I'm not as "into them" as I've seen others about theirs. For example, I would go to all the trouble to butcher any of my C7's, unless I had damn good reasons to do so. Which I don't...
Likewise, at this point, there is very little that I "need" to know or want to know, and even LESS that I couldn't figure out on my own. Even when I was first into the Cinema remotes, I learned much of its mysteries within a couple of days in my posession, and was passing the information onto others, that had them much longer but were still not that clued in about it. I found that any questions I had that were not answered, I always managed to find the answers to on my own before too long, and my research usually helped me to pick up other information along the way, which I hadn't thought to inquire into.
So any question I may ask about this stuff, is probably something I already know the answers to. If I do post a question, its most likely going to be for reasons of being sure I haven't missed any details in assessing a situation. Maybe just to see if anyone else can come up with any PRODUCTIVE ideas, that may have escaped my considerations. Case in point, the query on the Producer's. Before even posting the message in this thread, I had already read the manual for it on OFA's site, and could pretty much gather enough information from that about its progamming limitations, to determine whether it was suitable or not for my needs. Which would explain why I lost all interest in the idea of obtaining one shortly after I posted the message. The purpose of the posting was to confirm things I already suspected or knew, with people who might have had first hand knowledge of the product.
The moral of this story is, learn from your history, son. Making mortals, particularly hyper-sensitive, over-presumptious, self-deluding and insecure ones, into "Remote God" idols, is definitely NOT cool. If only for the fact that it will make the "real" God, all the more angrier. Oh I know, I know.... no need to remind me, I'm REALLY gonna go to URC HELL now for blaspheming your God, and that you will probably work frantically in the night to get together with your remote control gizmo geeks and call for an emergency vote to banish me off the RC island! But even though it looks like I will be forced to live out the rest of my days in utter cluelessness, vis-a-vis OFA remotes, because that I have made your Remote God angry by unwittingly forcing his insecurities out, I'm still hopeful that somehow, some day, "God be willing", I'll be able to get over this grave mistake in my life and perhaps, manage to make something productive out of what's left of the rest of my cursed days.... In fact, chances are, I'll probably have forgotten about it all by tomorrow afternoon. Until of course some OTHER gadget geek reminds me. Happy clicking, Steveman.
Tsk. Tsk. For shame, Robbie. For shame. First you feel the fanatic compulsion to post responses to EVERYTHING, whether or not you have an intelligent, reasoned answer to give, and now you display your utter lack of humour, wit, taste and good grace by resorting to cheap, vulgar, profane, personal attacks. I guess that's about your speed, but I must say, in all my years of reading this group, you're the first person I've ever seen to bring the forum to this degrading level. What's next for you Robbie? Kicking small children and running away? I thought you said you weren't going to respond to my messages any longer? Doesn't your word MEAN anything where you come from? Well that's it, Mr. Robbie. I know how to deal with people of your ill-mannered persuasion. You've lost all communication privileges, where I'm concerned, and you are NO LONGER invited to respond to my posts, or the threads resulting from my posts. (Not that you've ever had anything say that wasn't obvious, irrelevant, redundant, or even funny, but I digress...). I'm sorry it has to be this way from now on, but someone here has to put their foot down before someone else (you) gets hurt. Now run along and go play with your clicker box, and let this be the last I hear of you already...
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