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Cinema 7 and Panasonic VCR 9450
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Post 1 made on Tuesday January 4, 2000 at 00:51
SteveC
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My Cinema 7's (7200) menu button, when operating a Panasonic 9450 VCR, starts the VCR recording rather than calling up the VCR's menu. Any suggestions on how to change/disable this problem. It is too easy to hit this button by mistake since the menu button works correctly on all of my other equipment. I am using the AUX device mode for this VCR. This is the nonlearning version of the remote. Thanks.
OP | Post 2 made on Tuesday January 4, 2000 at 01:05
Ingenious
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What device code are you using? Have you tried
all the Panasonic VCR codes, or did you stop with
the first one that worked? There are 8 device
codes for Panasonic VCRs: 0162, 0035, 0077, 0225,
0454, 1062, 1162, and 1262.

Also, when you say you are using the AUX device
mode for this VCR, do you mean you are using the
AUX button, configured via 992 to be a VCR key,
or do you mean that you are actually using some
device key, perhaps the AUX key, configured as an
AUX device? If the latter, are you using device
code 0308?

-=Ingenious=-
OP | Post 3 made on Tuesday January 4, 2000 at 10:59
SteveC
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I tried all of the Panasonic VCR codes (I think 0162 and one other worked but with same results), and, before that, I had reprogramed the AUX device key to work as a VCR key per the instructions that came with the remote. The 9450 is a current Panasonic VCR model so likely has not been out very long, but is almost identical to last year's 8450.
I should add I subsquently tried a newer Cinema 7 (learning version - 7800), and on it the menu key does not work at all for this VCR - at least it did not start the VCR recording and it could be reprogramed for the menu function. However, it had other problms with the up and right select buttons for this VCR and my RCA DVD player and I took it back to Best Buy (it may have had 2 defective buttons as these buttons work fine on the 7200 on all my devices, but they worked ok on the 7800 with my old backup VCR) and got my money back. It appears there are more differences between these models than just the cost and the learning keys.
OP | Post 4 made on Wednesday January 5, 2000 at 04:59
Ingenious
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Do any other keys actually call up the VCR's
menu?

I know the menu button records, but does the
record button record as well? Does IT call up
the menu? Does it do something else, and if so
what?

Do you know the advanced codes for your VCR?
Specifically the advanced code for the menu?

>It appears there are more differences between
>these models than just the cost and the learning
>keys

Yes, there are. One difference I heard about is
that the 7200 plays macros back faster than the
7800, which is to say that the 7800 insterts a
greater delay between keys on macro playback.

-=Ingenious=-
OP | Post 5 made on Wednesday January 5, 2000 at 09:51
SteveC
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Yes, the record button also records with this VCR. I have not had any success with any key calling up the 9450's menu. I also tried putting the 9450 on the regular VCR device key where my older VCR was but the results were the same.
I do not know any codes for this VCR other than the ones listed in the instructions. I checked the All in One web site a few days ago, but did not see any additional codes. Are advanced codes different from the listed codes or are they just additional codes you can try? If different, how do you use them?
At this point, I would likely accept just being able to disable the menu button (just for this device) as I can call up the menu from my VCR itself, since all the other VCR programing buttons on the 7200 work as they do on the VCR's orginal remote. At least that wold prevent me from accidently starting recording (the menu button works with all my other devices) although I may get used to this problem in time and afer all this discussion. Otherwise, the 7200 is more compatable with my equipment than the 7800 was especially with the RCA DVD player where very few of the 7800's butons worked correctly. My other option is to buy another 7800, reprogram all the problem keys (but I understand it has limited memory), and put the 7200 back in a drawer.
OP | Post 6 made on Wednesday January 5, 2000 at 17:24
Ingenious
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As a temporary solution, I would suggest using
the 994 method to assign some more harmless key,
like the down arrow, to the menu button. If you
don't know how to do this, first press the
correct device key, then enter the following:

SETUP*_**9*9*4**DOWN*MENU**

I'm assuming that you know the standard shorthand
for these things, which is to say that *
represents one blink of the LED, and that
SETUP*_** means "HOLD down the setup key until
you see those two blinks. (**)

This is only meant to be temporary. You could do
better by using a similar method to assign the
actual menu function to the key, but you'd need
to know what number represents that function.
One way is to request the advanced codes for your
device from UEI, but I wouldn't hold my breath if
I were you.

Another way is to figure them out yourself. You
risk sending your device into some sort of
"factory mode" if you do this, but it wasn't a
problem for me, and I figured out the codes for
three devices by trial and error. (One code sent
one into a "factory mode", but sending the same
code again got it back out.)

If I had a digitized sample of your menu button
from your original remote, since I already know
what device code works with your device, I could
probably tell you the advanced code that would
send that signal within 24 hours. Unfortunately,
no one has taken me up on this idea before
because no one else seems to have the technical
skill and inclination to digitize the remote
signal.

-=Ingenious=-
OP | Post 7 made on Thursday January 6, 2000 at 08:51
SteveC
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Thanks. I will probably try the temporary fix for now.
OP | Post 8 made on Thursday January 6, 2000 at 12:17
Mike Garner
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I have a PV-8450 which as you have mentioned is essentially the same remote. I had the same problem on a non-learning Cinema 7 (7200) using the 0162 setup code. I took it back and bought a Cinema 6 IQ (Model 6800 - I think?). On my new Cinema 6, the code 1162 is available and works flawlessly with my VCR's menu function. 1162 is also available on the RS 15-1994 and I would also assume that it is on the Cinema 7 IQ (Mod. 7800).
OP | Post 9 made on Tuesday January 11, 2000 at 19:39
Paul B
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I have an obscure Panasonic vcr. I found that the code '0162' on my Cinema 7 (7200) did all the play & on/off functions but the menus didn't works. For that I needed device code '0454' BUT it didn't have the above mentioned functions.

My solution was to document the advanced codes for 0454 (000->255 on a spare evening). I then programmed the advanced codes to their appropriate keys, in device 0454 mode, and then changed to device 0162. The programmed keys kept their function even when in the new device mode!

By the way, the Cinema 6 (6800) has extra device codes that my Cinema 7 didn't have! The codes 1062, 1162 and 1262 were given to me on another forum and they have a better complement of commands.
What annoys me is they weren't even documented in my manual nor are they on OFA's or hudsonag's website! I'm wondering how many other device codes in my remote are undocumented!

Paul
OP | Post 10 made on Tuesday January 11, 2000 at 20:12
Ingenious
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Nearly everything about these remotes is
undocumented.

-=Ingenious=-
OP | Post 11 made on Tuesday January 11, 2000 at 22:46
David B.
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The existance of 1??? device codes brings up an interesting possibility. In my Cinema6 and Cinema7 models there are only a few 4 digit device codes that actually use the first digit. If there are others in the remote that aren't listed, then the possibility that a device code that will work (or work better) for anyone's device is there, just waiting to be found.

The problem is, how do we search for a 4 digit code. Will is take 1999 (0000 to 1999) tries, or possibly 9999? Does the code search method reach into the 4th digit? Hmmmmm.

Dave ;-(
OP | Post 12 made on Tuesday January 11, 2000 at 23:47
Paul B
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Neil,
My Panasonic vcr is a VERY basic two-head, multisystem not from North America vcr. As such, functions like 'VCR+' you will have to find yourself. You mention in your email that 528 resets your vcr to factory defaults. Why is that number so high? You only need to search between 000 and 255. 528<==>016 (528-256-256)

Below is my crude extended function table for Device code 0454: Panasonic NV-SD235AM
000 (Rewind) IntroJetScan
012 8 1 goes on screen WONT GO AWAY!!
014 screen back to normal again
016 7 goes onscreen (Power off/on makes it go)
055 Change speed EP/SP
056 Set speed to EP
059 Set speed to SP
081 Demo mode? play,stop,eject
088 equivalent to MENU->Tuner Preset
102 MENU
181 Clock Set
185 Timer Programme
221 equivalent to MENU->System->AUTO
223 equivalent to MENU->System->NTSC
225 equivalent to MENU->System->PAL
227 equivalent to MENU->System->MESECAM
234 DISPLAY (toggles between time, counter & time remaining)

This was very rough. I don't know why there weren't more codes. I had a real problem pressing the stupid '1' shaped key. I wish they were real buttons. Luckily I rarely need to use the keypad numbers.

As I found what I needed I didn't investigate further to see what some of the strange codes did.

Paul
OP | Post 13 made on Wednesday January 12, 2000 at 00:46
Ingenious
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David B.,

To address you question about whether device
codes of the form 1??? ever turn up in code
searches, yes, I believe they do. I seem to
recall that, during a recent effort to help
someone on this forum by using the code search
method to try every device code in every device
cateory, and listening to the IR pulses by means
of a solar cell and a sound card, I did run into
at least one code of the form 1???, which I
determined by means of the 990 flashback code.

-=Ingenious=-
OP | Post 14 made on Wednesday January 12, 2000 at 20:12
Neil
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> You mention in your email that 528 resets
> your vcr to factory defaults. Why is that
> number so high? You only need to search
> between 000 and 255. 528<==>016 (528-256-256)

I used the "EFC's by Frequency of Use" table and that's one of the numbers listed. I didn't bother reducing them to their base numbers, thus the 528.

Thanks for posting the codes, I'll give them a try tonight.
OP | Post 15 made on Friday January 21, 2000 at 12:16
Nonsanity
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I've been under the impression that the Device Code "search" provided by the Cinema 7 doesn't try every possible Device Code, just all of the Device Codes in it's ROMs.

If a new device comes out that uses a 1xxx or even 2xxx Device Code, and a default layout is not in the remote's ROMs, then you will not find it on a search. You would have to find it out from a third party and map all of the keys yourself.

Non


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