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My thoughts on Nevo Studio 3 after the preview today
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Post 1 made on Friday February 26, 2010 at 16:52
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Going into the preview of the new softare's features I was a little skeptical. I always admired Nevo's enthusaiasm and product launches, but as far as programing control system I never felt it had enough punch or powerful features in the software. Graphical features were always there, but as far as being powerful not really.

After today's demo on the new features, I was blown away. The widget and building blocks which make programming MUCH easier than mastering javascript are incredible. Yes, there is a decent curve, but the need to learn specific syntax and getting stuck on a problem because of an extra bracket or misplaced comma are just not likely to happen. In addition, the Sonos module and future modules are pretty awesome. Finally, global variables, with over 250+ values you can set something to (although still boolean) are similar to RTI's approach. There are many other little features that have been added as well that will make this a very powerful remote.

Of course the real qualifier in a control system or remote is it's range, success rates, durability and reliablity. That has not been improved on as far as I can tell. But the programming has definately taken Nevo to another level and allow an installer to really have a lot of control options with very simple techniques.

Great job on this. Looking forward to the release which will most likely be officially announced next week.
Post 2 made on Saturday February 27, 2010 at 01:43
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On February 26, 2010 at 16:52, vbova27 said...
Of course the real qualifier in a control system or remote is it's range, success rates, durability and reliablity. That has not been improved on as far as I can tell. But the programming has definately taken Nevo to another level and allow an installer to really have a lot of control options with very simple techniques.

Great job on this. Looking forward to the release which will most likely be officially announced next week.

If you've previously posted your thoughts on this, sorry I missed it, but do you feel the Nevo products are lacking in those categories? (range, success rates, durability and reliablity)
OP | Post 3 made on Sunday February 28, 2010 at 22:55
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I feel there may be room for imporovement in those categories, but I am sure that every control company has some as well. For every form of technology wether it be wifi, zigee, zwave, etc there are disadvantages. I think Nevo has a good product in terms of the scrifices vs. benefits. If I am being completely honest, I don't have the track record in the field with Nevo as much as I do with RTI, URC, and even Pronto, but these new software features will give me an extra incentivive to use UEI in cases I may not have used them before.
Post 4 made on Sunday March 7, 2010 at 19:45
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After being a Nevo installer since Day one I think they have done a nice job extending the platform and adding a lot of new features.

I also program all of the other "main" remote systems and I still greatly prefer programming a Nevo. And yes, in almost all cases it can do what most other remotes systems can do.

Sure, like Vincent said, every remote system has some deficiences and everyone has some features that others do not have. None of them are perfect by any means.

But I still think they have the best overall programming tool as far as quality, ease of use, etc. And in my experiencem the hardware works well and has very few failures.

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OP | Post 5 made on Sunday March 7, 2010 at 22:23
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Dave is correct, the equipment has little (at least in my experience) failure rate. I think there are some things I would like to see them improve on however.

- range is sometimes an issue in some of the larger homes I worked in
- need ability to learn in codes with a learner (not a remote). Are remote is not designed for learning an IR code in my opinion effectively.
- Extender - NOT a good way to do thinngs. If Nevo wants to be elite, it needs to support a control processor where the commands could be stored at teh equipment level vs. the remote. As macros become mroe and more extensive the reliability factor decreases iwth an extender.
- IR database is not as accurate as I like it to be. This is not a neccesity but a good time saver.
- Need ability to create my own databases with my own models
- Training modules and training is a little all-over-the-place.

Would be nice if they added a couple of products as well. To me, once a customer asks for a keypad within the system Nevo is OUT.

Again, show me a company without a list of wants and needs and it's probably not a control company. Nevo does a great job in listening and offers very personal service.
Post 6 made on Wednesday March 10, 2010 at 00:17
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On March 7, 2010 at 22:23, vbova27 said...
Dave is correct, the equipment has little (at least in my experience) failure rate. I think there are some things I would like to see them improve on however.

- range is sometimes an issue in some of the larger homes I worked in
- need ability to learn in codes with a learner (not a remote). Are remote is not designed for learning an IR code in my opinion effectively.
- Extender - NOT a good way to do thinngs. If Nevo wants to be elite, it needs to support a control processor where the commands could be stored at teh equipment level vs. the remote. As macros become mroe and more extensive the reliability factor decreases iwth an extender.
- IR database is not as accurate as I like it to be. This is not a neccesity but a good time saver.
- Need ability to create my own databases with my own models
- Training modules and training is a little all-over-the-place.

Would be nice if they added a couple of products as well. To me, once a customer asks for a keypad within the system Nevo is OUT.

Again, show me a company without a list of wants and needs and it's probably not a control company. Nevo does a great job in listening and offers very personal service.

Vincent, yes do agree with a few of your points. A few comments and or good workarounds which we have done:

If you are not quite getting the range you would like out of zwave RF, add a simple on/off zwave light switch or Zwave dimmer near the end of the range and it is like adding a booster to the range issue and much, much cheaper than another RTI RF antenna.

While I am guessing a bit here but while synching up Nevo with the NevoConnect there is a message where it says (copying IR commands). I don't know for sure if that is what it means and if it will equal a "command-on-controller" approach like RTI and URC and others but it just might be doing that without any of the complexity of RTI and URC with storing macros and such on the controller and not on the remote.

You do have a personal library within NevoStudio where you can save your own codesets, however they acquired.

Yes, I have also noticed some inaccuracies in the Nevo database but it is as good if not better than most others out there. I think it greatly surpasses RTI. URC is quite good with their IR code database.

Yes, larger system goodies are missing but I guess if someone wants all of theose goodies than it is RTI or someone even larger. But you are also talking about a $3k minimum system maybe even more.

Dave
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OP | Post 7 made on Wednesday March 10, 2010 at 10:16
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Great comments Dave, the only thing I might disagree on is the 3K minium system. A user can get an MSC-400 and MX-6000 flagship for less than 2K - that's a decent trigger processor. As for RTI, you do have to pay for programming, but you could go with the T-2C and the ZRP-6 or 5 and come under 2K as well.

I think have a control investment in the 3K range (at least for my customer complexion) is relatively a small percentage of the total investment. It would be nice if they had a simple in-wall as well - no need to go crazy here - but especially since your using lighting and z-wave almost exclusively out of the box.

Also, I would just say that my experience with RTI's megalist vs. Nevo's is much in favor of the megalist. I think the megalist needs improvements; like comments, source of who and how the codes were originally learned and some others, but again - it's a share dinstaller database that has nothing to do with the company. One thing I find alarming about Nevo's database is that there seems to be for a given model a lot of missing commands and a bunch that make no sense. (inputs that don't apply, commands that dont apply, etc).
Post 8 made on Thursday March 11, 2010 at 08:16
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On February 27, 2010 at 01:43, brodyboy said...
If you've previously posted your thoughts on this, sorry I missed it, but do you feel the Nevo products are lacking in those categories? (range, success rates, durability and reliablity)

Range? Definitly a problem. We are Nevo dealer since day one, the biggest in Quebec, and I might say that there is a lot of issues with the range of the Nevo connect. When I need something more reliable I go with RTI.

And that annoying zwave troubleshooting screen............... It sucks.

Durability? we had a few defective, but the tech suppot is soooo good and replacement is really easy.
Post 9 made on Thursday March 11, 2010 at 09:05
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On March 11, 2010 at 08:16, Cubitus said...
Range? Definitly a problem. We are Nevo dealer since day one, the biggest in Quebec, and I might say that there is a lot of issues with the range of the Nevo connect. When I need something more reliable I go with RTI.

And that annoying zwave troubleshooting screen............... It sucks.

Durability? we had a few defective, but the tech suppot is soooo good and replacement is really easy.

extending the nevoconnect antenna with LMR240 has always fixed any range issues that I have had.  My nevo connect at home is in my basement and I get coverage all the way up to my attic in my 2 story house.  On a boat I did recently, I extended the antenna and was able to walk 200 feet away from the boat and still control the stereo.  you just need to get the nevoconnect antenna away from other electronics.

There is a tech document on the mynevo site on how to extend the antenna.  There is also a company mentioned in the tech document that will build the cables for you.

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Post 10 made on Thursday March 11, 2010 at 15:13
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really? I will try it asap and comment.

Thanks for the tip.
Post 11 made on Thursday March 11, 2010 at 15:19
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 here is the link if you have trouble finding it
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Post 12 made on Sunday March 14, 2010 at 21:03
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How is the Nevo programming environment to work with as compared to RTI?
Post 13 made on Monday March 15, 2010 at 09:52
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The antenna parts links off of that document are pricey - which is a difficult sell for an intermittent problem. Anyone know of a more affordable place to buy?
Post 14 made on Monday March 15, 2010 at 10:17
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On March 15, 2010 at 09:52, ckelly33 said...
The antenna parts links off of that document are pricey - which is a difficult sell for an intermittent problem. Anyone know of a more affordable place to buy?

i just noticed over the weekend that Nevo sells an antenna extension kit.  It is on their price list for about $38 dollars retail. 

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OP | Post 15 made on Monday March 15, 2010 at 16:47
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If your comparing the RTI to the 2.0 versions there are several differences, but to give you the general idea, the Nevo software is more flexible and accomodating in graphical placement, importing, etc. The RTI software is more powerful from a technical level. There are many, many different layers of features that can be utilized, and the technology is different since you are storing commands on a processor. Its like a mix between CCP, Nevo and Pronto, but very polished.
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