To all who miss the 1/4 view,

Because this firmware version is much faster you can compensate this easily by placing shortcut buttons and adding buttons for different devices on one single page as I did with my ICF's (Cinema and NAVcontrol). Just link those buttons to buttons on other pages.
I find it much less confusing than 4 remotes with all those scrollbars that "eat" my display space. But that's my opinion.

Kees

Layout 3 showing the quarter view has been replaced by a browser preset to improve stability. As a consequence all 4 M-view related bugs are solved.........I don't call that fixing bugs. My cars engine has started to misfire, to fix this 'annoyance' my local garage removed the engine!!!!!

Philips.....how about getting the basics enabled?

i) More web realated plugins - ie Movie viewers, MPS playback. Also would it be too much to ask for the saving of cookies (to save retyping in passwords) and the bookmarking of Favorites.
ii) Enabling the USB, Mic and Memory slots.
iii) Improving that awful archaic editing program 'iProntoEdit' and adding the features you removed from 'ProntoEdit' such as the simulator so it saves 5 mins of downloading and rebooting just to test an icf.
iv) Bring back the 4 view screen. It made moving around between my Sat, DVD and Video screens a lot easier. Also add the 'promised' web view to this screen.
v) Get those Hard Buttons to be 'remote specific'.
vi) Being able to connect Pronto to a 'local' server to play MP3s would be nice....
vii) You want more? I am willing to join the beta program (as would most of the people were) if it would speed up development.

And for people who say you're trying, I've spent almost £1300 on a remote control, I want a little bit more than a £300 pronto with a larger screen, the 'extra features' it was supposed to offer over your competitors is what sold it to me. Almost 6 months after buying it (and nearly a year since its been on the market!) you are still trying to work on 'stability', this sort of thing should have been ironed out in the lab before release. Your new firmwares would then be improving speed, adding plugins and polishing the device...

Please, and don't take this the wrong way but please could you PULL YOUR FINGER OUT.


This message was edited by CarbonToe on 05/13/04 08:36.

CarbonToe
Your item (v) would be number 1 for me, pretty basic really.

Do you find the browser a bit better stability wise ? I had all kinds of weird things...

Very good post BTW, 1st / last para made me smile !

Andrew

Andrew, I'm glad I made you smile, hope Philips take it in the same way but also read between the lines, I'm not a happy camper and unless they buck their ideas up it will be the last Philips product I buy, I'll also pass on my feelings to all my relatives and all the people who come to me for HC advice.

And to add insult to injury I get the following error on boot since the upgrade:

in:/intent/tmp/out.log: Operation not Permitted
in:/intent/tmp/err.log: Operation not Permitted
(none):/$

7 fun filled hours later (Thanks Philips!) I'm now back!!!

: )

CarbonToe,

For your information, items i-vi are already known at Philips.

Kees

I was totally pro the iPronto since buying it earlier this year (see my posts) and also participated in the beta program. However. my views have now changed and I think the iPronto is just an expensive pile of poo marketed highly by Philips with all sorts of promises to encourage us to part with our monies. Now we have they appear to have given up with the device and leave us all with an overpriced, oversized basic remote.

Basic? Yes, because most all touch screen remotes now do what the iPronto does. This thing should do so much more but like Video 2000 and CDi Philips appear to have just given up in developing the product and supporting their customers.

Sorry Philips, but you should be ashamed of yourselves and as a minimum you should be either providing all your customers with an indication of what you are planning for the device along with realistic timescales or offer a buy back program so we can spend our money on a product which does what it says on the tin and is supported by the manufacturer.

Please, prove me wrong and show you care :)

Us long time iPronto user have come to relize that all of us are beta testing this remote. After Philips finds out the mistakes, they will come out with a new remote leaving us with an old beta tested remote. The iPronto has a lot of issues that can not be overcome with software changes. I'm sure if the truth be known there are some major hardware problems with the iPronto. The average life of an electronic device is one to two years max, time is aboput to run out on the iPronto.

Guys,
The "iPronto Team" has never responded to posts on this website. I just hope they at least read it.

Kees.....Never, you say!!!! I would of hoped that the development team would of noticed the microphone, USB and Memory Card sockets on their test devices!!!

Also I assumed that they have atempted to surf the web with the browser and found that 80% of sites they viewed were unusable. The imbarrising thing is the browser in my mobile phone has more functionality.

Can you stop sticking up for them as they realy have no excuse for the current state of the product esp as it's a 'premium' one.

If this was V1.0 of the firmware, no problem, 1 year down the line it's a disgrace. I am getting to the point that unless the ProntoTeam make good in the next month or so, or at least post a timescale of proposed improvments and then stick roughly to it I am going to involve some major Home Cinmea publications and point them to other members of this forum.

If they do release an iPronto 2 without enabling all features on the iPronto I will start lobbying for a free replacement. Free legal advice and 'no win no fee' companies would be chomping on the bit as I do believe that we have a valid point on purchasing a device that was advertised as having certain features and hasn't lived up to that functionality promise.

If Philips (or other iPronto users) wish to contact me direct my mail is [email protected]

Dear iPronto users,

Thanks for your reactions both positive and negative. We do follow this board daily just like the other message boards here on Remote Central. We understand the reactions but as explained in the original post, the main focus of this release was to increase the overall stability. We felt stability was the number one priority to ensure that you can use the iPronto reliably.

It seems that there still is a small issue regarding time shift in the EPG for UK and Russian users. This was not caught during our beta test. We have found the cause and are working on a quick fix, which should be available shortly.

regards
The Philips ProntoTeam

ProntoTeam: Thanks for your posting, it is reasuring that you are hanging in there and taking note of our disapproval.

I do appreciate that stability and speed are important, and the need for a sturdy foundation to build on. Now you have reached that milestone how about adding to the iPronto experience making it as feature rich as possible and sticking a finger up at the opposition!

Please don't keep us waiting another 4 months before the next release of the firmware.

initial feedback :

Web browser seems much better

Need to reach for the reset button much less

one strange one, do a search using google, the results links do not work... ?? Work around, go to another browser and then back and the page loads.

anyone ever tried loading ipronto with other software? its just a damn linux load

THE FIRMWARE UPDATE IS A VAST IMPROVEMENT FOR THOSE WITH COMPLEX ICF'S. I AGREE WITH OTHERS THAT MORE PERFORMANCE AND LESS BROWSER WINDOWS. UN-COMPRESSED XML FILES ABOVE 4.2M AND COMPRESSED AT 2.3M GENERATE A TIME OUT WAITING FOR COMMUNICATION ERROR IN iEDITOR. THIS IS WHILE THE REMOTE IS LOADING DOWNLOADED CONFIG. THIS IS A CHANGE FROM THE PREVIOUS RELEASE AS NOW COMMUNICATIONS ARE MAINTAINED WITH THE REMOTE AFTER THE FILE IS DOWNLOADED AND THE REMOTE COMPLETES IT'S START UP. I BELIEVE THE PC iEDIT SOFTWARE NEED'S TO WAIT A LITTLE LONGER FOR THE REMOTE TO COMPLETE A MID-LARGE FILE STARTUP.

ANY THOUGHTS?
INTECH