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Harmony 650 Turns Pioneer Elite VSX 53 On, then Off
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Post 1 made on Sunday November 27, 2011 at 13:58
gordonl47
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We just purchased a great room set up with a Pioneer Elite VSX-53 as the AVR. I'm using a Harmony 650 as an interim remote. The remote worked fine on my main system (Meridian) so I expected the VSX would be simple. Not so. After setting up the remote, the unit will turn on the AVR, the TV (Panasonice Plasma), and the STB or Oppo - then it seems to send another signal and the AVR switches off.

If I use the VSX remote to switch the AVR stays on. If I use the Harmony help function the AVR stays on. I've been through all the Harmony "help" options, changed the order in which the units turn on/off, etc. I've been through the VSX-53 manual in depth and tried changing various settings. No luck. The only setting I have not changed is the Harmony key delay and since I couldn't find any reference to that subject in the Pioneer manual I left it untouched.

The VSX appears to use a toggle on/off rather than discrete commands (argh)...so short of buying a different remote, any suggestions?
Post 2 made on Tuesday November 29, 2011 at 13:58
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Here are a few things to check:
1) Did you remove the old AVR (Meridian) from your Harmony setup? If not, the Harmony will send the power command to turn it off. If the old AVR (Meridian) used the discrete PowerOff command, this also means your new AVR (VSX-53) understands that command even if it's not in its dataset.

2) Review the activity and check the list of actions. Does it list an unforeseen command (that you may have added using the activity Start/Exit custom actions feature).

3) A command for another device is also interpreted as a Power Toggle or Power Off command by your AVR. If this is the case, then you will need to use a different dataset (Mode, IR address, etc.) for your new AVR, or for the offending device. Not all devices support multiple addresses, but most high-end AVR do.
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Post 3 made on Wednesday January 25, 2012 at 09:38
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Having exactly the same problem with my Harmony 650 and Pioneer Elite VSX 50. Help.
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Post 4 made on Wednesday January 25, 2012 at 10:19
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Eureka. By looking here and other forums found the problem. I have a Panasonic plasma tv with Viera Link that is connected via the HDMI ARC input with the Pioneer VSX 50. When the Harmony 650 turned on the TV and the VSX 50, the TV, with the Viera Link set to "on" then turned off the VSX 50. Set the TV's Viera Link to "off" and now the TV does not turn off the VSX 50.
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Post 5 made on Saturday February 16, 2013 at 18:36
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Great find! Thank you!

I was having the same issue with my Harmony One and new Pioneer VSX-1122 AVR. It never occurred to me that the Panasonic TV was the troublemaker.

To reiterate for future readers -- turn off the Viera Link on the Panasonic if you're having an issue with the Pioneer AVR turning itself off during the power sequence for (as an example) "Watch TV".

My setup would turn on the TV, then the DirecTV, then the Pioneer. Everything would start, but then the Pioneer would turn itself off again. "Help" on the remote would turn the Pioneer back on.

After turning off Viera Link (go through the menus in the Panasonic), everything works fine.

Thanks jerrymez!

-Dave
Post 6 made on Saturday July 20, 2013 at 22:05
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Or you could leave the "Viera Link" active on the Panasonic. Then on the Pioneer AVR go to HDMI Set-up and to Control Mode, set it to PQLS.

I only did it this way so that I could use the ARC for the plasma and AVR. Meaning I could watch Netflix using the app on the Plasma and listen to the audio through the AVR.

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Post 7 made on Monday August 12, 2013 at 13:07
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On July 20, 2013 at 22:05, King of typos said...
Or you could leave the "Viera Link" active on the Panasonic. Then on the Pioneer AVR go to HDMI Set-up and to Control Mode, set it to PQLS.

I only did it this way so that I could use the ARC for the plasma and AVR. Meaning I could watch Netflix using the app on the Plasma and listen to the audio through the AVR.

I've also been struggling with trying to get my Pioneer receiver to use the ARC function to play audio from my Panasonic plasma, but not turn on, then off when I power up the system. I've found that if I have Control set to ON, and Control Mode set to ON, ARC works beautifully, but my receiver turns off shortly after powering up the TV (obviously due to the Viera link signal). If I turn Control Mode to OFF, this doesn't happen, but ARC doesn't work entirely either (if I manually switch the input to TV on the receiver, I do get the audio from the HDMI out, but that's not a workable solution).

So, you're saying, if I leave Control Mode ON, and set PQLS to AUTO (it's AUTO or OFF), then my Panasonic won't turn off the receiver? I'm not sure why that would work, but I'm happy to try anything at this point...

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