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why are Harmony remotes dissed by "pro's"
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Post 76 made on Friday June 6, 2008 at 17:40
akirby
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Nobody but xpat said that. Happy now?

Why are you still here?
Post 77 made on Friday June 6, 2008 at 18:12
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On June 6, 2008 at 15:15, smokinghot said...
Context has everything to do with it. How could it not...?
Amazing..... Here I'll show you why:
"On Friday June 6, 2008 at 14:41, hhatkin said...
I had surrendered the argument to smokinghot"
So by that you're admitting that I'm correct with my opinion
that Harmonys are sub-par pieces of crap when "compared"
to high end units.

It could very easily not, and I'll show you why.

I quoted your five words, not because they were anything to do with the discussion, not because they were in the context of the argument, but because they were words which I considered "surly" and "hostile", completely in their own right, no matter what their context - like the word you regret, in #74.

By "surrendering the argument" I meant that, quite frankly, you were no longer worth arguing (or to use a kinder word, discussing) with (to use Joe_CI's expression), and therefore I was out of it - not that I'd changed my position. The five words were meant as an afterthought to that, a final shot.

I don't really want to have to go back on my surrender, but your assumption forces me to do that. Of course I do not agree with your opinion. I've said that it is pointless to "compare". A Harmony and a Civic have their qualities and functions. A "high end unit" (which I have never seen) and a Ferrari (which I would never want) no doubt have theirs. The two pairs are just different, and "vive la difference".

Last edited by hhatkin on June 6, 2008 18:27.
Post 78 made on Friday June 6, 2008 at 18:35
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On June 6, 2008 at 17:40, akirby said...
Nobody but xpat said that. Happy now?

Why are you still here?

Almost....

Because people keep making incorrect remarks and statements, and someone needs to keep them in check.... I've been accused of evading by someone...can't remember who it was now...lol, but it seems to be everyone else that's evading when I can either disprove or describe a situation that discounts what they are trying to say. Thank you for replying...it was big of you, although I'm sure it was just to shut me up...lmao.
....Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Post 79 made on Friday June 6, 2008 at 18:43
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On June 6, 2008 at 18:12, hhatkin said...
I quoted your five words, not because they were anything
to do with the discussion, not because they were in the
context of the argument, but because they were words which
I considered "surly" and "hostile", completely in their
own right, no matter what their context - like the word
you regret, in #74.

I'm glad it took me a bit to respond to this post...(you added the #74 in your edit).

I keep being told how easy these remotes are to set up and use. Someone (tired of tracking down quotes) said that a 10yr old or a Grandparent could operate one of these things. Well here's a guy...someone I referred to as a poor soul, who can get his head wrapped around programming of his Harmony. If it's so simple then this guy must be a ...........(add any phrase you like). See why context matters? I wasn't insulting the guy. I was trying to make you realise that just because it's easy for a handful of you doesn't mean it's easy for everyone.

The flip side is the "crap" reference.... That in the context I wrote it can be very easily misunderstood...and again I apologise.

By "surrendering the argument" I meant that, quite frankly,
you were no longer worth arguing (or to use a kinder word,
discussing) with (to use Joe_CI's expression), and therefore
I was out of it - not that I'd changed my position. The
five words were meant as an afterthought to that, a final
shot.

I knew exactly what you meant...I was trying to prove a point,.
....Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Post 80 made on Friday June 6, 2008 at 19:20
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Geesh ...grow up. And that user name "smokinghot", got's myspace and facebook age and maturity written all over it. It say's way more than you can imagine but your posts speak loud enough ...

So, how long you been selling remotes other than Logitech?
Post 81 made on Saturday June 7, 2008 at 07:54
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"got's".....?

"say's".....?

If you're not going to add anything relevent, at least try to post using words in our language. You're lack of literacy SAYS more than you realize.

Also, if you're going to ask questions, try and skim through the thread first to see if they've been addressed already. I'm a diy'er, and have never sold a piece of equipment as a source of income. I do not own a Harmony (that's obvious I would think) and do not own a RTi model. Maybe that's why I can stay objective, and not let my emotions get the better of me.

Stop bickering with me and help this guy out... I tried to add something, but I'm hoping that you guys who certainly know more about Harmonys than me could offer something better. Lets agree to change our focus and help people rather than stir this pot...deal?

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Post 82 made on Saturday June 7, 2008 at 08:19
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Emotions? Calling people mouth breathers and knuckle draggers. If you don't own a Harmony what on earth makes you qualified to call them crap or even comment on them period? I think (and by the number of posts) many would disagree with you.

You are so cool smokinghot, we all want to be just like you! Just leave the forum until you get a Harmony and can actually have practical experience you can draw upon. BYE!
Post 83 made on Saturday June 7, 2008 at 10:47
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egos abound....

Thank god I know you don't represent the mass of Harmony owners within this forum. I hope any lurkers take the time to read this thread in it's entirety so they to will know that your childish attempts at getting the last word are definitely not norm.

Focus your attention somewhere else... you're serving no purpose here other than making Harmony owner look childish.
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Post 84 made on Saturday June 7, 2008 at 16:57
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On June 6, 2008 at 18:43, smokinghot said...
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I keep being told how easy these remotes are to set up
and use. Someone (tired of tracking down quotes) said
that a 10yr old or a Grandparent could operate one of
these things. ...

I've been reading through this thread this afternoon - mostly laughing.

But now you've gone too far! I'm a Grandparent times four and my spouse and I have no problem with our Harmony 890 PRO. I do have to make sure that I don't let my Oatmeal dribble off my chin and mess the keys up, however. :-)
Post 85 made on Saturday June 7, 2008 at 18:03
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Post 86 made on Saturday June 7, 2008 at 19:01
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5 pages of mostly bickering.
Can we get a moderator to close this thread? It seems to be headed nowhere.
Post 87 made on Wednesday June 18, 2008 at 11:35
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to answer the OP, as mentioned, its due to lack of customization. with my MX-980 i can have ANY command on ANY button i like. i can program macros to do exactly what i want without having to find silly work arounds... and more blah blah blah, its all been said.

a URC or something of the like can be made to be "bulletproof" so a no mind customer wont get be calling the installer for follow up service calls unnessesarily.

however if you dont care so much about "tweaky" type of customization, or on a budget then i wouldnt think there is anything wrong with harmonies, and i in fact intend on buying one this month for the new plasma i got the wife for the bedroom. she couldnt care less about customization and i would rarely use it. so its the perfect solution.
Post 88 made on Wednesday June 18, 2008 at 15:02
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On June 18, 2008 at 11:35, Stealth X said...

with my MX-980 i can have ANY command on ANY button i like.

I know I shouldn't take up the bait, BUT:
With which Harmony can you NOT have any command on any button you like?
Post 89 made on Wednesday June 18, 2008 at 15:26
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Certain harmony buttons can't be programmed (Activities, Devices, Help, Off, Media).

I'd like to know how you handle input selection where you have to cycle through a list of inputs to get to the right one, and the number of inputs that you need to cycle through changes depending on where you were previously.

The harmony figures this out automatically and dynamically adjusts the input steps as needed. With other remotes you have to program this into state memory or have separate macros for every possible permutation.
Post 90 made on Wednesday June 18, 2008 at 16:18
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On June 18, 2008 at 15:26, akirby said...
Certain harmony buttons can't be programmed (Activities,
Devices, Help, Off, Media).

I'd like to know how you handle input selection where
you have to cycle through a list of inputs to get to the
right one, and the number of inputs that you need to cycle
through changes depending on where you were previously.

The harmony figures this out automatically and dynamically
adjusts the input steps as needed. With other remotes
you have to program this into state memory or have separate
macros for every possible permutation.

the work around for that situation would be to use an ANTENNA "A" or ANTENNA "B" as the starting point for the macro so it is always the same amount of commands to get to said input. keep in mind those who spend big $$$ on there remotes usually also spend big $$$ on their TV, so this wouldnt be an issue, as any decent TV has discrete input commands. (no offence if you love your TV and dont have discrete commands)
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