OK, this basically did the same as normal except it did everything twice, with the screen flashing about. Of course the majority of my switching would be bewteen the 3 activities where it worked (fairly) normally so this just introduced a couple of input changes when there were none before with the same result.

This did not work either and was difficult to sync with the HELP process as it could not seem to get past the HDMI2. On the Digital it never seemed to action the TVVideo command.

I have now gone back to Plan A i.e. the Clone with the extra MODE command on EXIT HDMI1 which just leaves me with the Power problem.

The choice I have to make here is the technical challenge and usability. I could handle all the switching/syncing etc but I think it defeats the object.

Of course, as you say, oh for a discrete TV command!!

I have a couple of thoughts which I will try and get back to you.

Your help and perseverence is much appreciated..

Thanks, Alan

Well, I seem to have done it! Leaving it on Plan A plus...

I switched the Power Settings around, so that the CLONE controlled the POWER and not the MAIN. Even turning off in HDMI1 mode it still powers on to the chosen Digital or Analog.

I'll keep testing* just in case it gets out of sync, but here's hoping!

Thanks again

Alan

Yes, and your Plan A is so close to work properly except for the cold start problem.
o With Plan A, all activities, including the Off button, should exit with the TV in one of the tuner mode.
o It won't send a Mode command when starting with the same tuner activity that was used to turn off , but will send a Mode command when starting with the opposite tuner activity.

Do you have the cold start problem only when you start with the opposite tuner activity?
If so, then maybe the Power On delay is too short and is missing the Mode command (when starting with the opposite tuner activity).

Note: Moving the power control to the clone makes sense since the clone is really the primary device.

Thansk jlet.

All is fine apart from, a very cold start i.e. if the TV has been off more than a few minutes. I did some searching and see folk have problems with this. So at the moment I am just trying a few things.

This may sound a stupid question but are the discrete Power ON /OFF actually different signals or both just Toggles given there own label?

Thanks, Alan

Yes, all 3 PowerOn, PowerOff and PowerToggle commands should be different. Test them in device mode to make sure. Many device support both methods but sometime the database is wrong (name implies a discrete action but it's actually a toggle). The PowerOn/Off commands are meant for the discrete method (a different button for each), and the PowerToggle command is meant for the toggle method (same button for both). Don't mix them. If your device supports the discrete method, then use it. It's the preferred method (easier to re-sync).

It sounds like your startup problem is due to delays. Remember that the Harmony thinks that the Clone and Main device are 2 independent devices. With you current modified Plan A (the clone device controls the power). The clone "Power On" delay is asserted before the Mode command (for the clone) is sent, but no power on delay is asserted for the InputHDMI1 command which is sent for the Main device when starting with the HDMI activity. The only delay that is asserted is the inter-device delay (for the Main device).

My guess is you are having a cold start problem only when starting with the HDMI activity. If so, here are a few suggestions:
1) Increase the inter-device delay of the Man device to make up for the missing Power On delay. If a large value is needed, then it will slow things down for regular operations.
2) Enable power control on both Clone and Main devices in order to enable the Power On delay for both devices. You could setup the Main device with a bogus (do nothing) command or the real thing if your TV device supports the discrete power method. In this case, on Power up, it will send the PowerOn command twice but this will not hurt anything. Same on shutdown (PowerOff twice). Just make sure you use both devices in all TV activities.

OK so this is weird! It happens on all activities regardless. Warm is fine flashes a few green buttons on the set but Cold I get 2 Red flashes then nothing!

I have tried this in Device mode so therefor I dont think it is the activities. I think it's looking for a slightly longer press on the button other than the power on delay which can be set.

If I hold the ONE botton for a fraction longer the set turns on, so I tried telling it that ONE was the Power ON but it was having none of it.

When the TV is Powered Off after about 50 seconds there is a Click on the TV like an on/off click which seems to send the TV to sleep. If I catch it just before the click it's fine, one second after the click its NO!

I have checked the TV settings/manual etc and can find nothing.

Thanks

Alan - EDIT see next post

OK think we are getting somewhere, first with the Cold Start & then with PowerON>HDMI.

Cold Start - I have somewhatt cheated here by follwing how the OEM worked. So I learned in RAW the Power Toggle. The Power Settings I left as discrete buttons, using the Dataset Power Off but for ON I used the learned Toggle. Seems to work, warm & cold.

HDMI - Although the Input settings use HDMI1, I have added an additional HDMI1 to the Activity Start, which seems to work when on/warm-off/cold-off.

So my next plan is to try and break it!!

Cheers, Alan

You can ask Support to add the "Duration" feature next to the PowerOn command in the Adjust Power Settings interface. Using the PowerToggle command with the discrete method will cause problem when you select the same activity again.

Having to add another HDMI1 command points to a power on delay problem. The HDMI1 command from the input setting is missed because it's sent too soon after the power command. Increase the PowerOn delay of the device sending the command (main in your case).

Is that something you have to ask for then? Can they add that to an individuals view of the software?



Does not seem to do that, it works fine (so far!)



Just to double check, my Clone is currently controlling power.

Thanks, Alan

1) I don't know why they don't add the "Duration" feature to all brand/models. Some have it already. Yours is a candidate. You will have to ask. If you don't need it, then just set it to 0 ms.

2) You are lucky. Maybe your device is not deemed to support the discrete method. It will re-send a discrete command only if the device is deemed and configured for it. In you case, it's configured but it's probably not deemed.

3) Yes, your Clone is controlling the power but it's not sending the HDMI command. The Main is sending the HDMI command without delay because its Power On delay is disable. Enable the Main device power settings in order to enable its Power On delay. Select the toggle method but give it a bogus (do nothing) command.

Finally there, I hope.

Contacted Logitech via email, and have to admit it was a fast, efficient & polite service.

I asked for Discrete TV switching but they say I would have to contact Panasonic & ask for the XML or HEX code. I have searched on here but can't find anything via the Pronto etc.

With regard to the DURATION setting they set that up and so I have discontinued my workaround of using the Toggle as an ON command and reverted to the Discrete ON and now with a 2 sec duration it works fine.

Many thanks to jlet & akirby for their patience and efforts. Cheers guys!

Regards

Alan

They've set up the input discrete codes for Panasonics and Toshibas for lots of other users. They ought to have been able to find them and give them to you.

Think you will find that is for the discrete AV inputs. This is a second control that toggles just between the 2 TV modes

Yes, I had read only "discrete TV switching" which I thought was about inputs, and didn't realise it was about modes.