jlet Hi

I have checked (& double checked) everything. I have learned the MODE command in RAW (and used that in the Clone Activity) and everthing is as before i.e. everything works fine except Power On.

The TV itself is set to come on in TV Mode (the other choice is AV) and it always returns to the previous setting of Analog or Digital. If I choose the wrong one then from there on in my analog/digital activities are reversed.

I can only think that the Harmony is correct in its state but that the Command Analog or Digital does not get received during PowerON.

Thanks, Alan

Try increasing the power-on delay for the TV, and make sure you've answered the questions correctly in the input settings as to how the TV handles input selection when powering on.

Also you may need to sync the remote on the first time (by pressing the Help button).

Hi, yes tried all that.

I think it is the same problem that exists with leaving MAIN HDMI. If you remember I had to send a MODE in EXIT Activity to address that.

The problem is if I were to do that on Power ON, I would still get the 50/50 (albeit the other way round;-))

I'm trying to think outside the box, but I just cant figure it out. It's as if the Input is changed to TV first followed by the MODE command which does exactly the same so you get a double change!

The actual OEM RC has 2 input buttons, one marked TV which switches between Analog & Digital or back to what it was on if coming from an AV input. AV being the other OEM button. Repeated pressing of the AV button toggles through the list of inputs.

I only use HDMI so it always goes there. Now on the Harmony dataset there are no buttons for these 2 as such. The TV button is represented by MODE & the AV is represented by the appropriate Input buttons e.g HDMI1 & 2 etc.. TV is 2 down on the AV list from HDMI1, but there is no need (in normal use) to use it because TV does it for you.

Just an idea.

Thanks again

Alan

I am confused. Let:
Pw = TV Power
A = Analog Tuner
D = Digital Tuner
H = HDMI input
Send xxx = Send command xxx from Harmony in device mode.
Now please fill following table (TV on what input):
TV Was...Action...........TV on?...Action........TV on A or D?
A...........Pw Off > On........?......Send Mode...?
D...........Pw Off > On........?......Send Mode...?
H...........Pw Off > On........?......Send Mode...?
A...........Send InputHDMI...H.....Send Mode...?
D...........Send InputHDMI...H.....Send Mode...?

Thanks jlet will respond in morning.

Pretty sure I could fill out without checking but dont want to waste your time, so will try all tomorrow and get back to you.

Many thanks

Alans

Just to give me something else to think about, I have just read in another thread about Customized Additional Buttons and whether they need to be customized in Activities or not if they are already in Device Mode.

In my case, the Inputs are activated from the Activity Inputs but they are not shown in Customized Additional buttons.

Thanks, Alan

The device and activity button mappings are completely independent of any other mapping/configuration etc.

Also let Pr = Previous TV Mode & R = Reverse


This sosunds exactly as it should, so it must be the Activity?

The Digital & Analog activities are

Main TV is ON
Clone TV is ON
Others are OFF
Set to TVDigital or TV Analog as appropriate which are set in the Clone Inputs and respond to MODE.
Main TV Input NOT needed

These work fine except coming frrom HDMI1 when the Analog/Digital states are ALWAYS reversed so I send a MODE on EXIT which corrects it.

and following a POWER ON/OFF which always results in the LAST STATE returning, in other words, when turning on with either Digital/Analog activity has a 50/50 chance.

Hope all that makes sense.

Cheers

Alan

It should work. The tuner cycler remembers where it was. It's not reseted by powering nor by the discrete HDMI command. Do the following:
1) Check the Clone input configuration and make sure you selected the "Stays on whatever it was on when it was turned off" (where it ask "Turn your TV Off and then back On again. Does it go to a particular input, or stay where it was?").
2) Check the Watch Analog TV activity and make sure the Analog input is selected (for the clone) and not needed for the Main device.
3) Check the Watch Digital TV activity and make sure the Digital input is selected (for the clone) and not needed for the Main device.
4) Make sure you don't use any input command in any of the activity startup/exit macros.
Remove the MODE on exit (from the Watch HDMI activity) - You should not need that. It will confuse the Smart State because it does not know this command was sent. Never use two wrongs to make it right. Instead, find the cause.

Now try it again starting and switching between the 2 Tuner activities. Use the Help button to re-sync them. Then switch to the HDMI activity and then back to a Tuner activity. Note: Initially the Harmony will not know the cycler state. That is why you need to initially sync the tuner activities with the Help button.

If still not ok (it won't - see my next post), then one more thing to try. Using the Activity Add device feature, add the Clone device (with set input not needed) to the HDMI activity.

I understand the problem now. Let A=Analog Tuner, D=Digital Tuner, H=HDMI input. When you start on activity A, switch to H then back to A, since the clone did not change input, then it won't send the Mode command and the TV is still on the HDMI input. That is why you were sending the Mode command on H exit but that also de-sync the clone cycler. Since the Mode command does 2 things (set input to tuner but also toggles the cycler) then here is a solution: In both the A & D activities, add 2 "Mode" commands in the activity Startup macro. The 1st Mode command will force the input to Tuner (regardless) but de-sync the cycler, and the 2nd Mode command will restore the cycler. This should also work on power up. You could instead add 2 Mode commands to the H activity exit but that won't solve the power up problem when it was left on the H input. It's too bad the discrete "InputTuner" command does not work.

OK jlet thanks.

Just to double check - when you say ADD 2 MODE commands, is that in addition to the Start Commands Input Control?

Alan

Yes, and I have another idea. You said in the AV list, the TV input is 2 down from the HDMI1. In the list, what is between the HDMI1 and TV input? Let us say its HDM2. I also assume that the AV button on your OEM remote (TvVideo in Harmony) = InputNext command.

Then you could use the following technique without a clone device but will need to sync the Tuner Mode in device mode or with a handy Mode key in the activity.
In the single (old main) TV device, add the 2 Tuner inputs (Analog and Digital) each using the same discrete "InputHDM2" command. For the "Watch Digital Tuner" activity, add the "InputNext" (AV=TvVideo) command in the activity startup. For the "Watch Analog Tuner" activity, add the "InputNext" (AV=TvVideo) followed by the "Mode" command in the activity startup, and also add a "Mode" command on activity exit. So to summarize::
o HDMI1 Activity = InputHDM1 (in input setup)
o Digital Tuner Activity = InputHDM2 (in input setup) + InputNext (in activity startup)
o Analog Tuner Activity = InputHDM2 (in input setup) + InputNext + Mode (both in activity startup) and Mode (in activity exit).
Notice that all 3 activities always exit with the same tuner Mode. You will need to sync the Mode only once or when the Mode command is missed.

Note: Only one of the 2 tuner activities sends the mode command (one on entry and another on exit). In the example above, I chose the Analog Tuner Activity, but you could choose the Digital Tuner Activity instead. Choose the one you are less likely to use to minimize the need to use the mode command.

Follow up on my previous idea: Only one Tuner activity with the Tuner Mode button map to a hard or soft key in the activity.
o HDMI1 Activity = InputHDM1 (in input setup)
o Tuner Activity = InputHDM2 (in input setup) + InputNext (in activity startup)

OK tried it anyway and you're right it didn't work