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problem with 2 devices, same ir code (880)
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Post 1 made on Saturday February 23, 2008 at 13:16
talcy69
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Could anyone help me out, Recently bought an hdmi switcher and it has certain ir codes that are the same as my tv but only with the harmony.
power on, and direction left are the same when im using the harmony, but the originals dont give me the problem. Have re learnt the commands and it still seems to be doing it.
So its causing havok when starting activitys. Is there anything i can do.
Cheers in advance
Post 2 made on Saturday February 23, 2008 at 16:41
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What is the brand and model number of your HDMI switch?
You may have to re-learn the commands (from the original remote) using RAW mode (click on "custom" at the bottom of the learning page).
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OP | Post 3 made on Sunday February 24, 2008 at 08:55
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jlet, cheers for the reply, the switcher is an ebay speacial it is a coolkit 4 input 2 outputs works well, for what i need. I have relearnt the ir codes in raw and it still doing it. Gona try to a work around today with my activities.

strange thing is press power on for tv and the switcher powers also, but power on switcher and the tv doesnt power also seems to be 1 way, so that being the case i think i can get around it on my start activity with extra on command for the switcher. If that makes sence.
Cheers,
Neil
Post 4 made on Monday February 25, 2008 at 20:19
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How did you enter the device in your configuration? The brand "coolkit" is not listed under Manufacturer for device type Audio/Video Switch. Also did you add the device to all applicable activities? If your A/V switch and TV devices share some partial commands, then that is going to be a bit tricky. You will have to experiment to find a workaround. Good luck.
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OP | Post 5 made on Tuesday February 26, 2008 at 14:21
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jlet, cheers for the reply, i have swapped the switcher for a different unit and it is working fine now. jlet you seem to know you stuff after searcing thro your posts.
could you offer a solution to my input problem on my tv. I have the Sagem HD-D45 DLP, which comes with the following inputs:
ANTENNA
SCART 1
SCART 2
SCART 3
AV 4
AV 5
AV 6
PC 1
PC 2


I only use AV5 and PC 2, my set turns on to antenna, but this is where the problem starts, because if i input next toggle it never goes to the Antenna again it cycles from scart 1 thro to pc2 and back to scart1, just add more problems it need 2 presses of the input next toggle to get it moving, e.g press input toggle and it displays current input press again and it moves to next, but once it is moving it only needs 1 press to input next, if that makes sence.

E.G if in on scart1 and press input toggle it will display scart1,
press again it will move to scart 2,
press again it will move to scart 3,
all the way back to scart 1, missing antenna.

I can also dissable inputs not being used on the tv menu so in theory i can set it with just AV5 and PC2 enabled but it always starts on Antenna, wasnt a problem until i needed to use the PC2 input as all my devices used AV5 so i powered on and sent a input next, input next to get me to AV5 and that was it, sent an email to logitech but still waiting. it is frustrating at the moment. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers in advance

Neil
Post 6 made on Tuesday February 26, 2008 at 17:47
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I checked the dataset for your TV and I don't see any discrete input commands.
Does the "InputNext" command in device mode behaves the same way?
Can you go to the Antenna input when you press a number and/or the channel up/down button?

If the "InputNext" command (in device mode) does not cycle to the Antenna input, but you can get to the antenna input by pressing a number and/or the channel up/down button, then you will have to add a clone TV with a single input - Antenna. Turn off the clone power control by setting its power configuration to "no power buttons" - The main TV device will control the power so it will need to participate to all activities using the TV device.

For the main TV device, if the "InputNext" command in device mode has to be sent twice before it cycles to the next input, then you will have to use the default Adjust Input Method 3. However, the default is missing the Antenna Input. Add it and move it to very top because that it's the TV power on default stating point. Also make sure the other inputs are the in correct order and answer the 3 questions correctly (tell it what the TV does - not what you wish it did). Also check if you need the 3rd confirm command. The default is set to "InputNext". You may need a different one. If you don't need the 3rd command, then just select -None-.
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OP | Post 7 made on Tuesday February 26, 2008 at 19:07
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jlet cheers again, checked and it cycles the same in device mode, and pressing a number button does take me to the antenna input, so i need to add the clone with the single input ANTENNA and turn the power control off, then add the clone tv to the activitys do i set the antenna to a button1 press and add it to the top of the list so it will be antenna, av5 then pc2 on the input list and add the clone to the top off the device power on settings.
Not sure i still fully understand.
Cheers in advance
Post 8 made on Tuesday February 26, 2008 at 21:33
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The clone TV device should have only 1 input (Antenna) and use Method 2 (discrete method) with "1" as the command. For activities not using the Antenna input, simply select the main TV device as usual. For activities using the Antenna input, select the clone TV device (instead of the main TV device), but add the main TV using the activity add device feature (Yes, but I want to add more control of options and devices for this Activity). When it ask what input to use for the added main TV device, select "I don't need to set the input on my main TV". Here, all you want the main TV to do is control the power.

Note 1: Did you check if the "InputNext" command in device mode skips the antenna input?
Note 2: You do need to add the Antenna input in the main TV device input setup (as mentioned in my previous post) although it can't get to it except on power up. Else, it will go out of sync. What a stupid Mickey Mouse TV user interface.
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Post 9 made on Tuesday February 26, 2008 at 23:49
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When you turn Off your TV and then back On again, does it stay where it was or does it always go to the Antenna input? If it always goes to the Antenna input, then you have a major dilemma. You need to add the Antenna to the input list to answer the question correctly, but the "InputNext" command can never cycle to the Antenna input. So you can't use Method 3 (nor any other available input methods).

You will have to use the activity startup macro to send the correct number of "InputNext" commands (similar to what you had). This workaround does NOT require a clone. It uses the Antenna input to reset the cycler and is called a pseudo discrete sequence method.
1) In the adjust input configuration, select Method 2 (discrete method)
2) Add "Antenna" and "Dummy" to the list of inputs but delete all the other inputs.
3) Select command "1" (or any other channel number) for the Antenna and -None- for Dummy.
Note 1: You may want to use "0" (invalid channel) or a valid channel number (1 to 9).
Note 2: You have to add the Dummy entry in order to be able to select a command for the Antenna input. I think, you can delete the Dummy entry once you have setup the command for the Antenna input. The activity wizard won't ask which input to use since there is only one. Else, always select the Antenna input.
4) Add the required number of "InputNext" commands in each activity startup macro.
Note: You may want to disable unused input to keep the number of "InputNext" commands down to a minimum.

Alternate Recommended Method
Use the activity startup sequence (macro) to send a channel number(s) command to start on the Antenna input which resets the cycler, followed by the required number of "InputNext" commands. Remove all inputs in the TV Adjust Input configuration.
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OP | Post 10 made on Wednesday February 27, 2008 at 12:24
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jlet cheers for taking the time to respond mate, it always goes to the antenna input no mater what. Im gona give it a try later when i get some time. Fingers crossed you have sorted out my problem, and yeah i agree that the tv interface is mickey mouse.
cheers again, i will let you know how i get on.
Post 11 made on Wednesday February 27, 2008 at 13:47
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Note: Since you are forced to use the activity startup macro for the input, the Help button won't be able to fix it when the input goes out of sync due to a missed command for example. Pressing the same activity again won't fix it because the startup macro runs only once (unless they changed that). You will have to switch to another activity then back, or map the InputNext command to a handy key in the activities.

Last edited by jlet on February 27, 2008 13:59.
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Post 12 made on Wednesday February 27, 2008 at 15:21
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For some TV brands that have similar input problems and that don't have discrete inputs on their original remotes, it is possible to find codes to provide them. That solves this problem, so you could try checking if there are any for your brand.
Post 13 made on Thursday February 28, 2008 at 15:26
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I checked the dataset for his TV model and did not see any discrete input commands. However, he could try similar models, or try the "Discrete Code Hunter" Forum (via the "Jump to" forum at the bottom of the page).
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