Please don't waste my time sending me to an article written by an old fool who thinks the Earth is 6000 years old and who is also running around looking for Noah's Ark. "It's out there somewhere, I just know it is!"

Please watch video that's referenced in Post #9.

Please try and understand what the Scientific Method is.

A Scientific Theory is not a "guess".

davidcasemore - what is a hypothesis? Check out the definition - you can even google it. What is the scientific method? You can google that also. Apparently you don't know. There are four steps unfortunately for you evolution fails on the third - to test your results, to prove it. When your hypothesis can not be proven than you reevaluate your hypothesis and do step three over again. But I'll save you the time from having to google the scientific method and copy the link and I'll also C&P the text. You shouldn't have a problem this isn't from some right wing conspirators site, or from fanatical religious site, or even the dreaded and hated Fox News this is from the CDC. Check out the word that is used in step 2 and educated guess but go on to the 3rd step.

[Link: cdc.gov]

1. Name the problem or question

2. Form an educated guess (hypothesis)of the cause of the problem and make predictions based upon the hypothesis

3. Test your hypothesis by doing an experiment or study (with proper controls)

4. Check and interpret your results

Can evolution pass this one NO IT CAN NOT therefore you co back to step 2 and it stays a theory and only a theory until it can pass step 3 per the scintific method. This bring me back to my other post since God can not be proven by the scientific method according to you he does not exist than we can also extrapolate that evolution - life coming from lower forms of life or arising form the primordial stew - does not exist. Just using your reasoning.

You failed Biology, didn't you.

I stated that you can't prove that god DOESN'T exist.
And that I don't need to prove that he doesn't exist.
What I'm waiting for is evidence of his/her/its existence.

But Behold! I now have the evidence! I've been converted by you guys! Please see the other thread I started to find out how and why I've accepted jeezis as my lord and taylor! I mean savior.

I am not trying to prove or disprove God to you but to show you that evolution does not pass the mustard of the scientific method - so it remains a guess, hypothesis. If you apply the videos "logical thinking" and judge the video based on it the video as a whole it fails miserably. Evolution can not and has not been proven, tested and he acts as if it has because his own biases will not allow him to act other wise. He acts as if he is super human and has eliminated these but he has not. Apply the same to reasoning to Al Gore and his man made global warming a you see that it as much a joke.

taken from wikipedia but i fell explains it well

The terms "fact" and "theory" can be applied to evolution, just as they are to gravity
Misuse and misunderstanding of how those terms are applied to evolution have been used to construct arguments disputing the validity of evolution.

There have been many theories that attempt to explain the fact of gravity. That is, scientists ask what gravity is, and what causes it. They develop a model to explain gravity, a theory of gravity. Many explanations of gravity that qualify as a Theory of Gravity have been proposed over the centuries: Aristotle's, Galileo's, Newton's, and now Einstein's. Confusion of the terms can arise when we use a single word to describe both the observed facts and the theory that explains it. The word ‘’gravity’’ can be used to refer to the observed facts (i.e., the observed attraction of masses) and the theory used to explain it (gravity is the reason why masses attract each other). Thus, gravity is both a "theory" and a "fact."

In the study of biological species, the facts include fossils and measurements of these fossils. The location of a fossil is an example of a fact (using the scientific meaning of the word fact). In species that rapidly reproduce, for example fruit flies, the process of evolutionary change has been observed in the laboratory. The observation of fruit fly populations changing character is also an example of a fact. So evolution is a fact just as the observations of gravity are a fact.

In biology, there have been many attempts to explain these observations over the years. Lamarckism, Transmutationism and Orthogenesis were all non-Darwinian theories that attempted to explain the observations of species and fossils and other evidence. However, the Theory of Evolution is the explanation for all relevant observations regarding the development of life, based on a model that explains all the available data and observations. Thus, evolution is not only a fact but also a theory, just as gravity is both a fact and a theory.

We have no arguement on natural selection. Gravity is measurable, observable the only theory part is what makes it happen. The same can not be said for the evolution of a lower species to a higher species. There is fossil evidence of animals that have similar characteristics but that is all - not measurable or observable as far as their evolution into a higher animal. As far as the evolution of life from the primordial stew we can't even do that.

Man... I can't believe I haven't bothered to open this thread till now.



Please continue

we know exactly what makes it happen, it is mass. That is why we have the equations F = GMm/R² and F=mg. Two objects will be attracted to each other depending on the mass of the two objects and how far they are from each other. That is why earth has a different gravitational pull then Jupiter or the Sun.

Yes it is mass but they are having trouble with putting a theory together that handles many of the anomalies that are found in space planets with glithces in their orbit that can not be answer by one theory so another is formed and some other anomaly causes problems with that. There are approximately 10 different theories of gravity that address on issue but not them all.

not at all, in physics often scientists make simplified models, these modles are there to make it easier to understand and predict, For example people thought that the earth was at the centre of the universe, then scientists observed and realized the earth was not at the centre but going around the sun in a circular orbit, then the model (sun-center/earth and other planets in a circle around it) got refined and instead of circular orbits the orbits where defined as elyptical because they beter defined what was being observed.

You talk about gravity, but look at the two equations I posted F = GMm/R² and F=mg

usually in school you use 10m/s² and you say F=10m for something on earth. But that 10 comes from GM/R² and so if the person is in a ravine or at the top of Everest g should be slightly different. But 10 is close enough for most calculations you will do.

This is the same thing people create different models hoping to make the concept easier to understand "think of the uUniverse as a big bed, a planet on it is like a bowling ball, you put it on the bed and it makes a V because of the weight of the ball on the bed, then you put a marble, if it is far enough, there is no effect but put it in the dent caused by the BB it then "gravitates" twords the BB.

That is a model to explain it. Also the issue is not gravity (or any of the other forces) but that many physicists assume that all of them (be it gravity, electromagnetisme, quantum physics.....) are related and that one should be able to come to a simple model that explains them all, from the sub atomic to the planetary forces.

LOL! It's interesting how the Sarah Palin defenders also don't believe in evolution (like Palin). Hmmm

It seems that "Christians" like to stick together. I was working for some people the other day, and the Wife was talking to her mother in law about this friend of hers... she commented, "Well, I think she is a new Christian, but , she still seems nice"!

I was blown away!

And some guy who was born from a virgin, some guy who parted the Red Sea, rose from the dead and on and on ... that's beyond science fiction... it's comedy!

don't put all Christians together. There are many that are scientists and actually do have some idea what they are talking about.