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Darwin's 200th Birthday Coming Soon!
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Post 1 made on Saturday January 24, 2009 at 21:30
davidcasemore
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The 200th birthday of Charles Darwin is February 12, 2009!

How do you plan to mark the occasion?

For more info, go here:

http://www.darwinday.org/

I'm posting this thinking that since we work in the technology/electronic industry most of us are (or should be) science minded and reality based. Doing things like trouble-shooting an install requires a good grasp of logic and the science behind electricity and electronics. Even though a properly programmed Crestron touch panel is indistinguishable from magic (props to Arthur C. Clarke) it isn't magic at all. Nor is it wishful thinking. All of the engineers, designers, manufacturers, software developers, inventors and so on, use aspects of science to achieve the results that wow our clients.

Note to 39 Cent Stamp:

Using Photoshop, can you take this image:



and insert an image of Neil Young so he's third from the left?
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Post 2 made on Sunday January 25, 2009 at 01:45
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I'm inviting the cousins around for tea . . .




Bit of music . . .




Maybe a game of cards . . .




Better make sure the drinking doesn't get out of hand though . . .

Last edited by djy on January 25, 2009 01:52.
Post 3 made on Sunday January 25, 2009 at 03:02
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Post 4 made on Sunday January 25, 2009 at 09:48
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Post 5 made on Sunday January 25, 2009 at 10:33
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Hey! Neil's my man... don't go messin with him.

Great job, 39!
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Post 6 made on Friday January 30, 2009 at 01:05
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On January 24, 2009 at 21:30, davidcasemore said...
The 200th birthday of Charles Darwin is February 12, 2009!

How do you plan to mark the occasion?

With a significant quote of his:

"To suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."
There is no truth anymore. Only assertions. The internet world has no interest in truth, only vindication for preconceived assumptions.
Post 7 made on Friday January 30, 2009 at 09:56
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Tom here's part of another one "with his god-like intellect which has penetrated into the movements and constitution of the solar system" or On seeing the marsupials in Australia for the first time and comparing them to placental mammals: "An unbeliever . . . might exclaim 'Surely two distinct Creators must have been at work"
OP | Post 8 made on Friday January 30, 2009 at 12:11
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On January 30, 2009 at 01:05, Tom Ciaramitaro said...
With a significant quote of his:

"To suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural
selection, seems I freely confess, absurd in the highest
degree."

It's a very clever trick to take a quote out of context. Darwin answers this seeming problem he introduced when the paragraph continues:

"Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real. How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself first originated; but I may remark that several facts make me suspect that any sensitive nerve may be rendered sensitive to light, and likewise to those coarser vibrations of the air which produce sound".

Darwin continues with three more pages describing a sequence of plausible intermediate stages between eyelessness and human eyes, giving examples from existing organisms to show that the intermediates are viable.

Also, if the eye is the result of an "intelligent designer", then why is it so badly designed? Couldn't this "designer" (more commonly thought of as god) come up with an eyeball that doesn't have a blind spot? Even lowly old man designed both a film camera and a video camera, neither of which has a blind spot.

The alternative to Evolution is Ignorance!
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Post 9 made on Friday January 30, 2009 at 12:46
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this video should be shown in schools

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OP | Post 10 made on Friday January 30, 2009 at 13:06
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On January 30, 2009 at 12:46, Mr Griffiths said...
this video should be shown in schools

[Link: i-am-bored.com]

This presentation is brilliant!

It touches on exactly the point I'm trying to make. (See 8 min, 15 sec into the clip)

"You can't take technology for granted" and "You can't pick and choose the science you're willing to accept"

Not only should it be shown in schools, it should be shown everywhere!
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Post 11 made on Friday January 30, 2009 at 14:11
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davidcasemore - Darwin had no problem with there being a "god". He said that he wasn't an aethist but an agnostic - huge difference. He also said that his theories did not disprove god but prove him. This makes it ironic when aethist quote Darwin as a part of the proof of there being no god.
Post 12 made on Friday January 30, 2009 at 14:15
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On January 30, 2009 at 14:11, mcn779 said...
davidcasemore - Darwin had no problem with there being
a "god". He said that he wasn't an aethist but an agnostic
- huge difference. He also said that his theories did
not disprove god but prove him. This makes it ironic when
aethist quote Darwin as a part of the proof of there being
no god.

That indeed is fascinating.

On January 30, 2009 at 12:11, davidcasemore said...
The alternative to Evolution is Ignorance!

Evolution = science fiction! :^)
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Post 13 made on Friday January 30, 2009 at 14:52
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Cell phones were science fiction for a while :-/
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OP | Post 14 made on Friday January 30, 2009 at 16:03
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On January 30, 2009 at 14:11, mcn779 said...
davidcasemore - Darwin had no problem with there being
a "god". He said that he wasn't an aethist but an agnostic
- huge difference. He also said that his theories did
not disprove god but prove him. This makes it ironic when
aethist quote Darwin as a part of the proof of there being
no god.

I love all these false talking points that you so easily find on the Internet these days. The problem is, most of them are either quoted out of context, misinterpreted, or blatant fabrications.

No atheist will ever quote Darwin as "... a part of the proof of there being no god" so your bit about irony is pointless. That's because, as any educated person knows, you cannot "prove" that something doesn't exist!

All you CAN do is offer up evidence that something DOES exist, or, at the very least, has a great probability of existing. Just like you can't "prove", 100%, that there's no such thing as unicorns! However, if you are going to CLAIM that unicorns exist you better be able to come up with some type of evidence for your claim.

So far, nobody has offered any credible evidence to me that "god" exists. Until somebody does, I shall remain an unbeliever. And if you think about it, I'm not much different than anybody calling themselves christian, jew or muslim. This is because a long, long time ago mankind believed in many gods, not just one. Gods that controlled basically anything that man didn't understand. With the advent of science and reason, these gods are no longer needed, necessary, or believed in.

Except for one. That's all that separates us.

Let It Go! It's okay, really.
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Post 15 made on Friday January 30, 2009 at 18:03
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On January 30, 2009 at 16:03, davidcasemore said...
So far, nobody has offered any credible evidence to me
that "god" exists. Until somebody does, I shall remain
an unbeliever.

So far no one has showed actual evidence of large scale evolution taking place. That's what Darwin hypothesized. We can see small changes in a species, but that's not enough. We can see mutations, but they do not change DNA, the code that would have to change for large scale (a la Darwinian) evolution to take place. So there is no evidence like that which is needed to support his large scale hypothesis. I think evolution is a convenient way of avoiding creation and therefore avoiding God. That's only my opinion and your mileage may vary.

Creationists will tell you over and over that you have to produce transitional forms from the fossil record for evolution to be a viable process. It's not sufficient to say that a fish became a four legged creature without something in-between appearing consistently in the fossil record. You've heard the argument before, so I won't belabor it.

With HARD evidence missing, creation and evolution sit side by side as theories. Each of us believe ours has more evidence, but neither one of us can prove the other wrong. For me to prove God exists, you want to see him. I have lots of evidence outside of seeing him, but that's not for this discussion. For you to prove evolution exists, I want to see a living thing that has transitioned from one kind to another. Other than believing it is possible, it is not provable.

I'm not militant about this and not planning on changing your mind so don't get excited. I've already agreed to disagree so don't feel like I am trying to get you mad - I don't mean to do that at all.

It's like so many things in life. You start with a mindset. You assemble the information that supports your mindset and you live by it. "Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest" was a lyric from a 60's song, and it applies. Very few of us are truly open minded. I'll admit it. Will you?

Two great theories.
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