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Scientific question... Time... did we make it all up?
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Post 31 made on Friday April 22, 2005 at 09:01
ChicAugur
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Wha? *squint* Wha? *yawn* *squint* *stretch* What did you say? I just woke up.

Time to make the doughnuts.
Post 32 made on Friday April 22, 2005 at 10:56
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yes !Is the universe a doughnut ?
Good question ChicAugur
Post 33 made on Friday April 22, 2005 at 11:43
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But I don't think that's what you are talking about is it?

no, not what I am talking about

You said nothing changes. Won't we always have to account for these differences no matter how we slice things up or how we number this sphere or follow time?

yes, but don't you need to do that now with people in the same time zone? what time do you start work and when does it end, when do you go to bed, at what time of day is it too late to call you? You don't need to answer that, but are those times true for all people in Chicago? Now if I want to call you at work I need to know when you start and end your day but I also need to take into consideration that Chicago & Montreal are in different time zones so I need to take that one hour difference when thinking when should I call you.

Let's say you tell me call between 7-8, I will think,OK I need to call between 8-9 Mtl time. On the other hand you might have said 7-8 because you took the time difference into account and you meant 7-8 Mtl time.

Someone a long time ago decided 12:00 (noon) was when the Sun was at its highest, then time zones came into effect. for some people in a give time zone it is true, for most others it is not because the sun is not at the same place from one end of the time zone to an other.

Simply put if you have lunch at exactly 12:00 right now does it matter if it is called 12:00, 5, or 2 or any other number you want depending on where in relation to you that fixed point is located. but after universal time, if you tell me or DJY call between 7-8 we all know exactly what you mean and when to call the same way it would be true with someone in your time zone.

I guess the simple question is do you have lunch at 12:00 (assuming that is when you eat) because the clock says 12:00 or because that is the middle (more or less) of daylight.

One last thing, time zones fix time over a given area somewhere between here and Chicago there is an area where I need to mess around with my watch if I move a few feet left or right. do you think that the sun changes position that much in the few feet I traveled back and forth?
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Post 34 made on Saturday April 23, 2005 at 00:03
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On 04/22/05 11:43 ET, Anthony said...
Simply put if you have lunch at exactly 12:00
right now does it matter if it is called 12:00,
5, or 2 or any other number you want depending
on where in relation to you that fixed point is
located. but after universal time, if you tell
me or DJY call between 7-8 we all know exactly
what you mean and when to call the same way it
would be true with someone in your time zone.

So New York could be having lunch at 12:00 but I would be having lunch (in Chicago) at 1:00, Denver 2:00, L.A., 3:00 etc?
The time would have no immediate reflection on the location of the sun.......that is until people caught on to the concept.
It's weird. I still see an issue with people not relating to the times of other people...

Example: Don't call Chan in China, it's 2AM over there!
We are supposed to respond "so what, 2AM is lunchtime in China!" (Just an example I didn't get out my world map to figure this out.) But is this a likely scenario?

That's tough change to swallow like like swallowing beef jerky without chewing or like the Dorito I once swallowed without chewing.......I survived, but it hurt like hell going down. Now I know what it's like to swallow an equalateral triangle.....it's like a dull three-sided knife!
Post 35 made on Saturday April 23, 2005 at 03:25
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So this is what it's come down to; pondering the meaning of life, the universe and everything . . . plus swallowing a Dorito whole.

We were wrong all along. The answer must be 43.
OP | Post 36 made on Saturday April 23, 2005 at 11:21
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Chic... It would be really tough... It would be like not having rotating months depending on what hemisphere we live in.

Can you imagine what life would be like if it wasn't cold in February no matter what part of the world one was in?

I think all you would need to know was what time was "high noon" in a particular city of the world, and that's about it.

How much of anybody's day would be effected if a guy in Hungary said that noon was at 7PM?

As a matter of interest. China uses ONE time zone even though it spans FOUR...

They just have different start/stop times for work.
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Post 37 made on Saturday April 23, 2005 at 14:59
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so who will see the remake of the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy?

As a matter of interest. China uses ONE time zone even though it spans FOUR...

new that, mentioned it earlier.

also did you know that computers do it already? that is why in your settings you tell it in what time zone you are in and if you use DST.


So New York could be having lunch at 12:00 but I would be having lunch (in Chicago) at 1:00, Denver 2:00, L.A., 3:00 etc?

exactly, but even though I would love EST to be used, I don't think it would be the one picked. My guess is either GMT or on the other side of the world the international date line, but honestly don't care.

Example: Don't call Chan in China, it's 2AM over there!

We are supposed to respond "so what, 2AM is lunchtime in China!" (Just an example I didn't get out my world map to figure this out.) But is this a likely scenario?

but wouldn't you do that now?




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Post 38 made on Saturday April 23, 2005 at 16:52
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"Picture yourself in a boat on a river,
With tangerine trees and marmalade skies"
OP | Post 39 made on Saturday April 23, 2005 at 19:35
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On 04/23/05 14:59 ET, Anthony said...
so who will see the remake of the hitchhiker's
guide to the galaxy?

I will.

new that, mentioned it earlier.

Resounding good points....

Unclearly...

Just like the previous two lines.

djy... I'm imagining a really big boat with at LEAST 2 tree's on it, but I'm having a hard time figuring out where to or how to put the sky on the boat...

...Maybe I'll just strap it to the roof.
Jet Rack ... It's what's for breakfast
Post 40 made on Sunday April 24, 2005 at 09:05
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On 04/23/05 19:35 ET, Jay In Chicago said...
djy... I'm imagining a really big boat with at
LEAST 2 tree's on it, but I'm having a hard time
figuring out where to or how to put the sky on
the boat...

...Maybe I'll just strap it to the roof.

Go ala egyptian king style and have one of your servants put the sky on a stick and dangle it over your head wherever you go. It's all an illusion anyway right?
Post 41 made on Sunday April 24, 2005 at 10:30
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Well, what's the colour of the sky in your world? Better still, what was the colour of the sky in ancient Greece?
Post 42 made on Sunday April 24, 2005 at 16:09
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why not stick it on the tangerine trees
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Post 43 made on Monday April 25, 2005 at 08:19
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djy according to Homer's Iliad(not simpson) it was" Bronze" but Homer also said that wine, the sea and sheep were all the same colour - purply red! and he also wrote that Hector's hair was Blue.(It is not true that Ancient greeks had no word for Blue)
Only three other colours are mentioned in the whole of the Iliad and the Odyssey: black, white and greenish yellow. The last one greenish yellow is called chlorus which he says is the colour of honey, tears, sap and blood.

This message was edited by Mr Griffiths on 04/25/05 08:42 ET.
Post 44 made on Monday April 25, 2005 at 11:20
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Spoil Sport!
Post 45 made on Monday April 25, 2005 at 12:14
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I think he meant classical ancient Greece not ancient ancient Greece
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