The codes posted below are power on codes for an ATON DLA speaker router. It is an Elan manufactured product. They are from a manufacturer supplied .ccf file available here:

[Link: atonhome.com]

They have been reported as not too dependable when imported into URC software. I have not tried them myself yet but I will check them out at my Distributor very soon. I will also capture the codes myself to see if there are any differences.

I am trying to get a handle on these codes before I decide to use the product. There is no indication of discrete codes by room in the product documentation for either the unit or it's remote. Each room has a hardwired IR input on the unit that I had assumed used the same codes (just routed via the dedicated input) until I saw the .ccf file.

[Link: atonhome.com]

IRtool and DecodeCCF do not give me any results that I can interpret. Can someone shed some light on the nature and construction of these codes and why they may be problematic (if at all).

John?


Thanks.

Room1
0000 0067 0000 0023 0030 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0233
Room2
0000 0067 0000 0023 0030 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0234
Room3
0000 0067 0000 0023 0030 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0234
Room4
0000 0067 0000 0023 0030 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0234
Room5
0000 0067 0000 0023 0030 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0233
Room6
0000 0067 0000 0023 0030 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0234
Local
0000 0067 0000 0023 0030 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0234
Global
0000 0067 0000 0023 0030 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0234

I don't recall seeing that type of signal before. It will take me a bit more effort than usual to figure out the structure and I don't have time for that today.

I think you provided enough samples to allow deducing the structure. It does not use the common menthods of encoding bits into bursts, so a couple samples would not have been enough.

It has fairly ordinary overall structure and timing. The fact that it is unusual in the way meaning is encoded in that timing shouldn't matter at all to a learning remote that just reproduces the timing. It should be very easy timing to reproduce well.

This encoding system is more sensitive to distortion than typical encoding systems, but not a lot more, not enough to explain the "not too dependable when imported into URC". Maybe there is some bug in that import process. I don't think I will have time to investigate that possibility (import to URC, then learn to Pronto or JP1 remote or CaptureIR and see how different the result is from the original Pronto Hex). You could try that if you're curious.

This encoding system should be hurt more than most by the typical distortion caused by low batteries in the sending remote. But I don't even know whether URC remotes generate that kind of distortion. Any simple remote will generate the typical distortion when its batteries are too low. But a more complex remote would more likely malfunction or abort (or maybe warn) in a more complete manner (not send the signal at all rather than send it distorted by bad batteries). So that would say low batteries would hurt all protocols equally in that complex remote.

There's always the chance the published Pronto Hex is seriously wrong and you'll find the signals different when you learn from the original remote.

This was my thought too.

You would think if Elan had a hand in this the IR would not be too weird???

BTW:
I did see that the Aton DLA IR code is in Via Tools, I'm going to borrow a via learner and see if I can get a clean codeset that will work with URC.

Here are the learned codes from the included remote.

All Off
0000 0066 0000 0023 0031 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 022A
All On
0000 0066 0000 0023 0031 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 022A
Mute
0000 0066 0000 0023 0031 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 022A
Scene
0000 0066 0000 0023 0031 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 022A
Vol -
0000 0066 0000 0023 0031 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 022A
Vol +
0000 0066 0000 0023 0031 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 022A

I'm in the process of learning all of the codes into a URC 900 and a 980 just to see what the differences might be in each.

I have also installed Via Tools and have the entire codeset from Elan (Aton) in .irf format. Other than learning the codes, I have no way to conver .irf to URC or .CCF format, but can supply the file for someone who might be able to convert it.

A .ccf file is available on the ATON website that contains a local set, global set and up to 6 room sets of IR codes. The implementation of these codes, however, is not explained

Here is what I have found out...

There is no IR receiver on any of the units.

There is a dedicated hardwired IR input for each room.

The local code set will only control the room it is associated with (wired to) and this is the code set that is on the native remote.

The global and discrete room codes will control all other rooms intended from any of the IR inputs associated with any of the rooms.

I have my first one in the box and I intend to test these scenarios this week.

Yep, That's the way it works. I'm not sure if the .CCF on the website is the same as the one I received from Tech Support. At the time, there were no codes on the website.

No emitter on the unit itself, but you can wire directly to each room or just use the global/room ir codes via the room1 ir port.

I have not tried the "local" codes on each port, I just used the global and room codes wired to room1's IR input via a standard emitter port on an MRF-350. The codes work as expected with an MX-810, but not with a 900/950 or 3000.

Update,
I learned the codes from a Via! learner into an MX-900, they appear to work correctly. I pulled 4 rooms of the codes, but only have a DLA2 left for testing hence the term "appear" to work. It certainly works as expected for Room1, Room2 and Global codesets.

If anyone needs the file PM and I'll be glad to send it out.

I could really use those learned codes if you wouldn't mind e-mailing mw with them. Thanks a lot!

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