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Help with RCA RCVR and 15-2137?
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Post 1 made on Monday November 20, 2006 at 12:17
samami
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I have Radioshack 15-2137 (Kameleon 6-in-one) and an RCA RT2360 AMP/RCVR. I'm using code 1254. What I need is the discrete code for power toggle. This remote as far as I can tell uses 5 digit codes (00009 and 00219 don't work). Also is this the right Sequence to put it in.
1)Hold P for two blinks
2)Press Other
3)Press 9-9-4
4)Press Device
5)Press P one blink
6)Enter Code 0-0-0-9-9
7)Press button assigning
Post 2 made on Monday November 20, 2006 at 15:00
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Regarding the sequence, I know the generic rules for the KeyMove (994) process. I don't know if any details are different in the 15-2137. Assuming no such differences, the one reservation I have is step 4.

There are two Devices involved in a KeyMove: One is the device from which it copies the setup code. The other is the device mode into which it defines the KeyMove. I assume you want both to be the same device, but the KeyMove process allows them to be different. The last device selected before your step 1 is the default for both. You can press a device before step 5 (as you did) to override the source device and you can press a device before step 7 to override the destination device.

So if the right device was selected before step 1, you don't need step 4 (though it won't hurt). If the right device wasn't selected before step 1, then your step 4 won't be enough. You would also need that again before step 7.

Regarding the five digit EFC number: Setup codes that would have taken three digit EFC numbers in older models have five digit EFC numbers that are 00 followed by that three digit number. But 1254 is a setup code in which EFC numbers don't work at all in older models. Such setup codes need five digit EFC numbers that don't begin with 00.

I don't know whether such EFC numbers even work in the 15-2137. There are a few models which use five digits but only the three digit numbers (preceeded by 00) work. In such a model (as in an older model with three digit EFC numbers) no EFC numbers would work in setup code 1254.

The three digit EFC number is an encription of the function number in the IR signal. The five digit EFC number in this type of setup code is an encription of both the function number and the device number.

The standard RCA power toggle function is 42, which is EFC number 099
The standard RCA power on discrete is 58, which is EFC number 227
The standard RCA power off discrete is 59, which is EFC number 219
But those EFC numbers are only for setup codes in which only a single device number is supported.

I don't happen to know the device number(s) for your RCA device.

Setup code 1254 mixes device numbers 8 and 12 for everything except its discrete input commands, which use seven other device numbers.
The power toggle command in 1254 is device 12, function 42. It wasn't clear from your post whether that power toggle worked. Its EFC number 17647. But if the power button works you don't need that and if the power button doesn't work that EFC number won't either.

Assuming 12 is the correct device number, the EFC for function 58 is 17663 and the EFC for function 59 is 17662.

If 8 is the correct device, the EFC for 42 is 18159, the EFC for 58 is 18175 and the EFC for 59 is 18174.

Last edited by johnsfine on November 20, 2006 15:23.
OP | Post 3 made on Wednesday November 22, 2006 at 22:30
samami
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Those numbers didn't work. But maybe it has to do with the fact that it is a keymove sequence. I want to put in the advanced codes. Is this the appropriate way to do it.
Post 4 made on Friday November 24, 2006 at 09:26
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The "EFC number" is the "advanced code".

Except for details of when you press the device key, the sequence for programming an EFC number as a keymove is as you described it.
Post 5 made on Friday November 24, 2006 at 11:44
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I just tested with my urc-8820. I think that has the same version of Audio/1254 that is in the 15-2137. It appears that all the EFC5 numbers that I posted above for Audio/1254 are wrong. (I used the JP1 program RemoteMaster to compute those. Later I will review the protocols.ini information that RemoteMaster used and I'll try to correct that problem). Meanwhile:

Reviewing:
1) Standard RCA function numbers are:
42 power toggle
58 power on
59 power off

2) I think your amp uses RCA device number 12 or 13.

Corrected EFC5 numbers (for device:function)

12:42 -> 51984
12:58 -> 51968
12:59 -> 51969

13:42 -> 19216
13:58 -> 19200
13:59 -> 19201

Edit: I found the error in supporting this type of setup code, in several places in the JP1 software. I started a thread discussing that at
[Link: hifi-remote.com]

But for the purposes of this thread at RC, I think I'm now computing EFC5 numbers for Audio/1254 correctly.

Last edited by johnsfine on November 24, 2006 17:21.


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