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DENON 2807 sound fields/speakers
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Post 16 made on Friday September 29, 2006 at 15:12
johnsfine
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On September 29, 2006 at 13:20, tgrugett said...
Do I understand correctly that the Genre2 Code corresponds
as such...

1000 = device code 4.1
1100 = device code 4.3
1010 = device code 4.5
1100 = device code 4.7

Except for your typo, you are correct.

1110 = device code 4.7
Post 17 made on Friday September 29, 2006 at 15:18
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On September 29, 2006 at 12:59, tgrugett said...

The codes No.96-105 for the AVR2807 that I had requested
in my last post are for XM channel input numbers 0-9.
They do not appear to be zone specific as documented by
Denon despite the Genre2 1010 designation which would
indicate zone 3. I suspect that they are likely married
to zone 1.

If I understand you correctly, you are predicting:

1) These commands must be sent with Genre2=1010 even though their meaning is not associated with Zone 2.

2) They will only work when zone 1 is on.

3) If you transmitted them with Genre2=1000 they wouldn't work.
Post 18 made on Friday September 29, 2006 at 22:30
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On September 29, 2006 at 15:18, johnsfine said...
If I understand you correctly, you are predicting:

1) These commands must be sent with Genre2=1010 even though
their meaning is not associated with Zone 2.

Yes, however, I think you meant zone 3.

2) They will only work when zone 1 is on.

I have not yet tested this.

It is proven with the 4306 that the Network, iPod and USB controls that use Genre2=1000 do not work unless zone 1 is on.

3) If you transmitted them with Genre2=1000 they wouldn't
work.

I have no idea. I will test this when I have a 2807 in front of me (next week).
If changing the "zone genre" opens the door for controls of these newer features, it would be a big deal.

I have been tinkering with Dave Swindell's 4306 PCF to create master Denon code pages that include all available commands (he was missing a few). I will upload it once I have resolved a few more items and thoroghly edited it.

Last edited by tgrugett on September 30, 2006 13:01.
Post 19 made on Sunday October 1, 2006 at 22:39
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Haven't logged into these boards for awhile but did today. What codes were missing in the 4306 pcf? Just curious (and wondering what features I've been missing).

Thanks for adding the missing ones,

-- Dave

I have been tinkering with Dave Swindell's 4306 PCF to
create master Denon code pages that include all available
commands (he was missing a few). I will upload it once
I have resolved a few more items and thoroghly edited
it.
Post 20 made on Monday October 2, 2006 at 00:47
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On October 1, 2006 at 22:39, cdswindell said...
Haven't logged into these boards for awhile but did today.
What codes were missing in the 4306 pcf? Just curious
(and wondering what features I've been missing).

You were only missing the zone 1/2/3 volume presets (6 commands total). Someone already has an update posted in the Denon component configuration files.

[Link: remotecentral.com]

I have questions for you! You have a command on your XM IR page called "Jump". What is this code for? Also, I do not recall the "status" command. Do you know what this does? (I have not had a 4306 in front of me for a while). I assume that you have also discovered that you can not control the iPod/Net/USB features when zone 1 is off (with the exception of the reassigned G1-8 commands detailed in the manual). Have you any insight in creating a workaround for this? I have created a button called "enable" which turns on zone 1 if it is off to access these commands when listening in the distributed zones.

I will eventually have a master Denon Code PCF with pages modeled after yours and Johnl28's IR pages for every amp currently documented on Denon's site. There will be no configuration, just code pages to insert for linking to GUI pages. Many of the codes are the same but Each amp listed will only show the codes documented for it. I am hoping it fills the need.

Thanks, Troy
Post 21 made on Thursday November 9, 2006 at 15:28
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I have tried the codes device 4.1 function 96 threw 105 for XM channel inputs. I tried them on a 2807 and a 1907 and could not get it to work.
Post 22 made on Thursday November 9, 2006 at 19:42
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Were you just providing info or are you asking for help?

The Denon documentation does not say those commands ought to work with device 4.1. I was just currious whether there was more flexibility in the "Genre2" fiel than the documentation specifies.

As I described in post 13 of this thread, commands 96 through 105 are documented as working in device 4.3.
Post 23 made on Thursday November 9, 2006 at 21:23
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I am building several TSU7500 configurations for systems using an AVR2807. I should have test results on some of these functions starting next week.
Post 24 made on Friday November 10, 2006 at 13:29
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I have tried both device 4.1 and 4.3 for the XM codes and neither work for any of the current Denon line.
Post 25 made on Friday November 10, 2006 at 14:30
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On September 29, 2006 at 12:59, tgrugett said...

The codes No.96-105 for the AVR2807 that I had requested
in my last post are for XM channel input numbers 0-9.
They do not appear to be zone specific as documented by
Denon despite the Genre2 1010 designation which would
indicate zone 3. I suspect that they are likely married
to zone 1.

On November 10, 2006 at 13:29, JonaMatt said...
I have tried both device 4.1 and 4.3 for the XM codes
and neither work for any of the current Denon line.

I know nothing about the behavior of the Denon devices, just about the relationship between the Pronto Hex and the things said in the Denon documentation (though even that I might have gotton wrong).

Hopefully you(JonaMatt) have a better idea than I do about what tgrugett means by "married to zone 1". Did your testing take that into account?

If I misunderstood anything in the Denon doc regarding device 4.3 commands, I probably misunderstood it for all the 4.3 commands. Are there any of the 4.3 commands (from a full run of MakeHex or from the many other threads on this at RC) that work? Are 96 through 105 the only ones that fail or the only ones you've tried or the only ones that mean anything in your configuration or what?
Post 26 made on Thursday December 7, 2006 at 13:09
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This thread is awesome.

A quick question: I see that in some places people mention two discrete volume commands (-20, -40). I think I remember reading somewhere that you could use the denon documentation to create a discrete code for whatever discrete code you needed. Is this the case? Or are we limited to the two discrete volume settings?
Post 27 made on Tuesday January 16, 2007 at 15:16
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Another question: Does Denon have easily accessible commands for discrete sound modes? All of the ones I've found on their remotes (and in IR databases) are toggles.

Not that I'm against paging through Denon's documentation... it's just that I don't have the time *right now* to do it.
Post 28 made on Monday February 12, 2007 at 01:19
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On January 16, 2007 at 15:16, lexiphanic said...
Another question: Does Denon have easily accessible commands
for discrete sound modes? All of the ones I've found on
their remotes (and in IR databases) are toggles.

Not that I'm against paging through Denon's documentation...
it's just that I don't have the time *right now* to do
it.

Yes, there are discretes for the sound modes. They will work for most scenarios and you can find workarounds for just about any situation if their behavior is not as expected.
Post 29 made on Sunday February 10, 2008 at 22:03
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On November 9, 2006 at 21:23, tgrugett said...
I am building several TSU7500 configurations for systems
using an AVR2807. I should have test results on some of
these functions starting next week.

Hi, Troy. Not sure whether you have posted anywhere else on your findings (I couldn't find anything through a search), but were you able to clarify this issue as a result of your tests?

I must say, it would be a major bummer if I did not have most controls for Zone 2 where Zone 1 is off. I run my Zone 2 to speakers in a separate living room, to run CD / tuner / iPod, and often would find that I want to operate Zone 2 without having Zone 1 on as well.

A related question - is it possible to have the tuner operating for both Zone 1 and Zone 2, but to have different stations or presets running for each? Or put another way - are the presets operated specifically for each zone, or instead if you are running the same tuner source for each zone, then you can only have the same station?

Thanks!

Greg
Post 30 made on Monday February 11, 2008 at 00:11
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On February 10, 2008 at 22:03, GB777 said...
Hi, Troy. Not sure whether you have posted anywhere else
on your findings (I couldn't find anything through a search),
but were you able to clarify this issue as a result of
your tests?

I must say, it would be a major bummer if I did not have
most controls for Zone 2 where Zone 1 is off. I run my
Zone 2 to speakers in a separate living room, to run CD
/ tuner / iPod, and often would find that I want to operate
Zone 2 without having Zone 1 on as well.

Some functions such as transport control and presets for the iPod, network and tuner sources are not available unless zone 1 is on for the 06 and 07 models. Unfortunately, at this point, I don't exactly recall my tests on the 2307 and 2807 because I ended up not implementing many of them. I sold many 3806 models until the release of the 08 models because it was such a rock solid piece. I gave the engineers and reps an earfull about this at Cedia '06. I don't know if anyone listened or not but they have resolved this issue on the 08's.

A related question - is it possible to have the tuner
operating for both Zone 1 and Zone 2, but to have different
stations or presets running for each? Or put another
way - are the presets operated specifically for each zone,
or instead if you are running the same tuner source for
each zone, then you can only have the same station?

There is only one AM-FM tuner thus preset commands from either zone will change it on both. The 4308 does have 3 tuners (AM-FM, XM and HD) so you can listen to these independently.

Last edited by tgrugett on February 11, 2008 00:41.
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