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Discretes vs. Advanced Code
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Post 1 made on Thursday July 1, 2004 at 23:32
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I've got a Panasonic CT-32G22V TV. It's an older TV. Probably 6 years old. I received a MX500 for father's day. WHOO!! The MX500 has learned all of the Panny's remote buttons and works great. I've been looking for discretes to:

Power on
Power off
go directly to video 1
go directly to video 2
go directly to TV input

So, to today I picked up a RS 15-2116. I was hoping I could use the advanced codes to perform these tasks. No luck!

So my questions are:

1 - How are advanced codes and discretes different?
2 - Are advanced code just the means to implement discretes?
3 - I've looked at www.hifi-remote.com for the advanced codes. Any other places to check for advanced codes or discretes for this TV? I did search here but no luck.
Post 2 made on Friday July 2, 2004 at 01:18
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Let's start with the basics. Does setup code TV/0250 work with your TV? If so, [Link: hifi-remote.com] has all the known advanced codes for that setup code.

If so here is the explanation from Rob Crowe:

Here are the instructions for the 15-2116....

1) Hold SETUP (green P), till screen reads "CODE SET"
2) Scroll down to "KEYMOVER",
3) Press SELECT, screen reads "FROM MODE"
4) Press the device button the code is coming from, screen
reads "FROM KEY"
5) Press SETUP, screen reads "SYNT"
6) Type the 3 digit advanced code
7) Press SELECT, screen reads "TO MODE"
8) Press the device button the code is going to, screen reads "TO KEY"
9) Press the button you are trying to program, screen reads "SUCCESS"

Post 3 made on Friday July 2, 2004 at 08:34
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I realized I didn't answer your specific questions.

On 07/01/04 23:32, PAW said...
So my questions are:

1 - How are advanced codes and discretes different?

Advanced codes are functions that weren't included on some version of the OFA universal remote. Most manufacturers use the same command set for all major commands. There is some variation between models and advanced codes are a method of programming a feature that isn't in the built in library. They are only meaningful for a specific setup code and only for universal remotes made by UEIC (that makes the One-For-All (OFA) and certain Radio Shack models including the 2116). Advanced codes CAN be discrete commands.

2 - Are advanced code just the means to implement
discretes?

Yes, but advanced codes can program non-discrete functions also.

3 - I've looked at www.hifi-remote.com for the
advanced codes. Any other places to check for
advanced codes or discretes for this TV? I did
search here but no luck.

Panasonic is very consistent about what commands it uses for Power On, Off, and Video 1 through 4. Every display TV, RPTV, HDTV and Plasma that I have ever come across responds to those same commands, IF it has been programmed by Panasonic to recognize discrete commands. Panasonic is somewhat inconsistent about applying those discrete commands to the various models.

BTW, a Ch+/- command will bring most Panasonic TV's to the Tuner mode from any video input. So a pseudo discrete input command is a macro for Ch+|Video Toggle for Video 1, Ch+|Video Toggle|Video Toggle for Video 2, etc.



This message was edited by jarmstrong on 07/02/04 08:53.
OP | Post 4 made on Friday July 2, 2004 at 10:32
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Yep! The setup code TV/250 works. I've been testing the advanced codes contained in this. There's a method of testing them without actually programming them. It's a little quicker. All the basic ones work but not the ones to switch the input or the discrete on or the discrete off. Bummer!!

UUHHH!!! You know I had noticed that using the Ch+/- would switch you to TV but it didn't click to use that knowledge in the macros. THANK!

Now if I can just a method to simulate discrete on and discrete off.
Post 5 made on Friday July 2, 2004 at 11:15
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One solution to that problem if you wanted to use the 15-2116 would be an advanced feature called ToadTog. The remote itself keeps track of the toggle state. Of course, you must use only that one remote and I don't think that is what you had in mind.

Another alternative is an x10 appliance module and IR 543. Before you buy them you could experiment to see if that is feasible: Turn your TV on and then unplug it, leave it off for a while and plug it back in. If it stays off, then discrete off is x10 off and a discrete on is a macro x10 On|power toggle.

If it always comes back on if unplugged for varying periods then turn it On and Off with the x10 command and hide the power toggle command.

You will need the IR543 (~$20) to convert from IR to the powerline signal that the appliance module( ~$15)responds to. Whatever you do, don't use an x10 lamp module that has a dimmer as it will probably damage the TV. The appliance module has a relay and you do get a "clunk" sound each time it goes On or Off.

If you haven't tested the discrete off command from the TV On it may work. Sometimes only one or the other works. If Off works you can use that very effectively with the x10 module.
OP | Post 6 made on Friday July 2, 2004 at 11:46
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I haven't heard of ToadTog. It's certainly not document in the manual. Where can I find more info on it?

I like my MX500 much better than the RS 15-2116. The layout, the size of the buttons (for these middle age eyes), the backlight and the wife approval factor. However, I could keep the 2116 for the kids system downstairs! If I don't, RadioShack's return policy seems good.

I don't think I want to go the X10 route.

I did experiment with the advance codes for TV/250

024 Power on/off - Works
536 Power on/off - Works
534 Power on ----- Doesn't work
026 Power off ----- Doesn't work. Was labeled unreliable.

I fixed the typo. Changed 202 to 026

This message was edited by PAW on 07/15/04 23:09.
Post 7 made on Friday July 2, 2004 at 14:54
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On 07/02/04 11:46, PAW said...
I haven't heard of ToadTog. It's certainly not
document in the manual. Where can I find more
info on it?

The manual doesn't cover anything about the JP1 connector or many other features of the remote. It's an advanced tool that was written by John Fine and can only be installed with a JP1 cable. The 2116 has a 6-pin plug in the battery compartment that can be interfaced to a PC. This allows the remote to be programmed to do just about anything with an IR command. More information here:

[Link: hifi-remote.com]

202 Power off ----- Doesn't work. Was labeled
unreliable.

I've seen that warning before it must have been reported by someone that experienced some sort of problem. I have only found them to either work or not to work. If they work at all, they are reliable.

Also Added much later: Power On is EFC 022 and Power Off is 026 not 202, I suspect a typo.

This message was edited by jarmstrong on 07/15/04 13:59.


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