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| Topic: | Floor standing stereo speakers This thread has 30 replies. Displaying posts 16 through 30. |
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| Post 16 made on Monday October 2, 2006 at 16:45 |
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Actually while we're on the MP3 topic, Yamaha's newer receivers have a very cool MP3 processor built in. It doesn't just boost the infamous high-end drop off at about 15KHz (and low-end at about 160Hz) it actually reverse-compresses it, (kind of), using some pretty complex algorithms. Watching it in action on a spectrum analyzer and listening to it being switched on and off is pretty compelling.... Might be the best opportunity you'll get to make a significant improvement to the system.
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| OP | Post 17 made on Monday October 2, 2006 at 17:38 |
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On October 2, 2006 at 16:37, Vincent Delpino said...
I try not to flame here, but it is criminal to sell a
high end pair of speakers knowing that the source will
be highly compressed mp3s. You will end up with better
sound if you use a less expensive, less detailed speaker
that will not end up blatently exposing the lack of dynamic
range associated with compression. There are even great
cd recordings that sound fantastic in your car, but not
so good on a high end system. I will give you a great
example. Listen to Pearl Jam's Ten cd in your car. Freaking
rocks right? Now play that same cd on a high end 2 channel
setup. Hmmmmm Er.... What? Well now it doesn't sound
so good, and actually kind of blah. Why? Compression.
While not exactley the same type of compression, it is
a great example of why accurate is not always better.
You would be much better served being honest with this
person then just helping them waste their money. I understand and have killed the point with them. I have sold many Levinson mono 33s and Apogee Studio Grands and Watt Puppies, I love music and the CI world. Let me stress one last time, they are not looking for High End Audio, they are looking for decent sounding speakers that look amazing.
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| Post 18 made on Monday October 2, 2006 at 18:07 |
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| Post 19 made on Monday October 2, 2006 at 19:14 |
Spendor S3/5 with two logan subs!
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McPancakes, its whats for breakfast! |
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| Post 20 made on Monday October 2, 2006 at 19:19 |
oh sorry you said floorstanding, try Spendor S5s, not bright at all, on the other end of audiophilia. Very mature sound.
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McPancakes, its whats for breakfast! |
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| Post 21 made on Monday October 2, 2006 at 21:03 |
ejfiii Select Member |
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Why don't you start with what you can actually get for them?
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| Post 22 made on Monday October 2, 2006 at 21:32 |
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If you want a speaker that sounds good and has a great look IMO take a look at the Focal Chours 800V speakers that just came out. Otherwise, if they want to spend a little more $$$ and have a very contemporary decore the new Profile series from Focal with the Diamond black finish is awesome. The black speaker picks up the color of the things surrounding it and look pretty sweet. At CEDIA they had the black speaker on a white piece of acrylic (sp) and the speaker looked white in certain areas.
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with all do respect... i had no idea that you had an experimental surgery to have your balls removed. |
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| Post 23 made on Monday October 2, 2006 at 21:36 |
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On October 2, 2006 at 16:37, Vincent Delpino said...
I try not to flame here, but it is criminal to sell a
high end pair of speakers knowing that the source will
be highly compressed mp3s. You will end up with better
sound if you use a less expensive, less detailed speaker
that will not end up blatently exposing the lack of dynamic
range associated with compression. There are even great
cd recordings that sound fantastic in your car, but not
so good on a high end system. I will give you a great
example. Listen to Pearl Jam's Ten cd in your car. Freaking
rocks right? Now play that same cd on a high end 2 channel
setup. Hmmmmm Er.... What? Well now it doesn't sound
so good, and actually kind of blah. Why? Compression.
While not exactley the same type of compression, it is
a great example of why accurate is not always better.
You would be much better served being honest with this
person then just helping them waste their money. I totally agree. I just sold a client a pair of Paradigm Monitor 7s and an Ultracube 10 for exactly that purpose. That was like $1600 not $16000. All that being said, I am not one to leave money on the table. Ethics be damned sell the guy a good cd player and amp. At least then he can appreciate a great pair of speakers. Do you have somewhere to give him a demo that will blow his socks off? That is what he needs. OK sir, Ipod ........now CD. Hmmmm?
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| Post 24 made on Tuesday October 3, 2006 at 00:51 |
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RBH Sound Signature series
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| Post 25 made on Tuesday October 3, 2006 at 13:30 |
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I'd second the B&O with a pair of their higher end powered speakers... BUT, you are not a B&O dealer...
What kind (brand) of MP3 is this guy using? My IPOD isn't that bad really, depends on the sampling rate of course... But this guy cannot by the sounds of it (no pun0, be an audiophile anyway. Don't wates his bucks on High End audiophile speakers... Get him some decent speakers that crank... Maybe some big Def - Techs with the built-in powered subs? Or the big Polks... with built-in powered subs... something along those lines.
REVOX??? Tyr and get parts and servicing (unless you are in Europe).
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| Post 26 made on Tuesday October 3, 2006 at 14:06 |
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There is a difference between 128 AAC that the iPod supports and MP3.
AAC sounds better, in general, on home systems, IMHO.
I do agree that a less expensive speaker that is aesthetically appealing, as you require, that does not accentuate the obvious negatives of compression, are the better way to go, especially seeing as how the client only spends a couple of days a week doing any listening.
There is usually more of a fatigue factor when listening to compressed audio such as MP3 on a more revealing speaker when compared to the same MP3 audio on a "lesser" speaker.
IMHO!
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| Post 27 made on Tuesday October 3, 2006 at 20:41 |
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If its just mp3s... NHT computer system is pretty damn good and not that expensive. Deatailed "enough" and can play pretty loud. [Link: nhthifi.com]
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| OP | Post 28 made on Tuesday October 3, 2006 at 20:59 |
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On October 2, 2006 at 21:36, CCD said...
I totally agree. I just sold a client a pair of Paradigm
Monitor 7s and an Ultracube 10 for exactly that purpose.
That was like $1600 not $16000. All that being said, I
am not one to leave money on the table. Ethics be damned
sell the guy a good cd player and amp. At least then he
can appreciate a great pair of speakers. Do you have somewhere
to give him a demo that will blow his socks off? That
is what he needs. OK sir, Ipod ........now CD. Hmmmm? OK I think I need to edit the post. For the price range mentioned this couple is looking for a nice "looking" pair of speakers. They would not be able to hear the difference between Klipsch and MBLs. For the price range, it's because although they are very very nice people, they have more money than god and think you get what you pay for. So I am looking "at their request" for a decent sounding NICE looking pair of speakers in the price range. Doesn't matter what I deal with I can get anything since My service for them is with design. I don't need to make money on this addition. I remember Eggelston had a nice pair a while back. Won't do B&W although I am sure they sound nice, just way too forced down the throat, that's why I am looking for some other reviews. Thanks
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| Post 29 made on Tuesday October 3, 2006 at 21:37 |
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On October 3, 2006 at 20:59, jcmca said...
So I am looking "at their request" for a decent sounding
NICE looking pair of speakers in the price range. Doesn't
matter what I deal with I can get anything since My service
for them is with design. I don't need to make money on
this addition. I remember Eggelston had a nice pair a
while back. Won't do B&W although I am sure they sound
nice, just way too forced down the throat, that's why
I am looking for some other reviews. Okay, then no one has said Aerial Acoustics yet. We're comparing them to Dali right now in the store and they both sound incredible. And of course Sonus Faber are always very well reviewed and look finer than most fine furniture on the planet.
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| Post 30 made on Tuesday October 3, 2006 at 21:41 |
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Want nice looks
Dali
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totem
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