I have programmed a T2+ for a client. I have a command on each source button for discrete power on and then a button for all power off. The problem is that we just put a toshiba plasma in that has no discrete power codes. I was thinking about putting a generic power button, yet some of the componants only have discrete power, and I dont want them to get out of sync. Is there any way you guys can think of fixing this without power sensing?

Other than replace the Toshiba,you can use flags to check power status of the devices. It is pretty reliable as long as you don't lose the power or somebody turns the equipment manually.

The problem is that this is in a ski area of new england. the power, excpecially in the winter, is as about as predictable as a pinto. it might be worth a try tho. as long as i tell them to make sure the shut the system down completely if they leave the house. have you done flags before? i havent and am not sure if i completly understand how they work. thanks

Is there an output on the Toshiba that can be tracked. Video out or a digital audio out... or something else then you could use the approp sensor on a RP-6.

we are using an rp1, with no extra cables to link the tv to the componants. would the flags take care of that?

Obviously the problem starts with specing the wrong TV....

Flags will solve the problem if handled correctly.

If the power goes off, it will A) turn off the TV, and B) reset the RP1, which should clear the power on flag.

As long as no manual interaction, flags can work well. Customer should be instructed on how to fix if it gets out of sync.

Next, boycott this brand of TV until they use discretes.

Its not entirely his fault for specing in the wrong set. Toshiba marketed these TV's with discrete codes. Turns out only discretes for inputs.

Create ON and OFF buttons that turn the TV on and to the most common source for everything else. Then just delete the TV power commands from each device. Just one more step but sell it as a convienience to the client for guest to operate the most common source just by pressing on.

Thanks Sound.sd. that was our problem. we were told that there WERE discrete codes. once it was installed, and then programming the remote is when we found out that the were just inputs. so are you saying to have a power on and a power off button, with the toggle code for the tv on both, and the discretes for the other components on the corrosponding button? i was thinking about flags, but like i said earlier, i am not really sure how they work. we just started doing rti a couple months ago. i started working in this business around january this year, so i am still trying to figure everything out. thanks for the help and sorry for the ignorance.

if you use flags, its pretty straight forward:

Here's a power ON macro:

Test Flag (Is Flag Set, yes or no?)

If Flag is set (ie TV is ON), then DO NOTHING.
Else (Flag is not set, TV is OFF), then issue POWER COMMAND, AND (very important): set the Flag.



Here's a power OFF macro:

Test Flag (Is Flag Set, yes or no?)

If Flag is set (ie TV is ON), then ISSUE POWER COMMAND. AND CLEAR FLAG.

Else (Flag is not set, TV is OFF), then DO NOTHING.

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Exactly! Keep it simple especially if you are new to it. If you learn something else down the road offer the customer a return trip.

Might as well complete the ON macro with the macro for cable ie:

TV - Power
AMP - ON
TV - HDMI
AMP - CABLE
Cable - CH 25
Go to DEVICE SELECTION PAGE and punch AMP VOLUME AND CABLE CH +,- to THE DEVICE PAGE.

thanks again guys. i am gonna try to give the flags a try. if i cant figure it out yet, then ill just do seperate on off buttons.

The other way to handle it is to jump from your source button to a screen with 2 buttons that asks if the TV is already on. One button includes TV power the other does not. Adds a step for the customer, but always works.

Select DVD - Jumps to a page with 2 buttons, 1 is "Is TV on?" the other is "Is TV off?" selecting off adds TV toggle power, input .... then jumps to DVD Page. The system off button also needs to follow this pattern.

If I remember corectly there is a example of how to use the flags on the RTI dealer website. But they look like this

ON flag

Flag 1 (Name of flag)
Else______________________________
Power on / off comand for tv
Set flag 1 (Name of flag)


OFF flag

Flag 1 (name of flag)
Power on / off command for tv
Clear flag 1 (name of flag)
Else_____________________________

When doing the on macro put the command and set the flag in the "else" bracket

When doing the power off macro Put the command and clear the flag before the "else" bracket

It will work fine

Jason
Digital home Inc.

Only problem here is that must customers cant tell if the TV is on or not in some situations.

Maybe you missed this?
Toshiba
Pwr ON= Pwr 3sec delay Pwr
Pwr OFF= Pwr 3sec delay Pwr .2sec delay Pwr or just Pwr.