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Topic: | Inwall/Inceiling subs This thread has 18 replies. Displaying posts 1 through 15. |
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Post 1 made on Tuesday December 10, 2002 at 11:28 |
Have client that just won't go for the big black box. Nowhere to hide it so my first instinct is to go up. Problem is the ceiling is 20' high and I've never used an inwall or inceiling sub. I know it would have to be powered and in the ceiling would have to bring on a whole slew of potential rattles etc. Curious what others have done. Thanks, CMack
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Post 2 made on Tuesday December 10, 2002 at 13:53 |
Jose Blanco Founding Member |
Joined: Posts: | July 2001 191 |
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Have used both and prefer to use in wall. The amp for the sub can be placed with the rest of the equipment. We've used the Niles PSW-8 with either a rotel or adcom running it...
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Post 3 made on Tuesday December 10, 2002 at 18:14 |
Larry Fine Loyal Member |
Joined: Posts: | August 2001 5,002 |
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OP | Post 4 made on Tuesday December 10, 2002 at 22:19 |
Larry, I'm pretty creative but the flooring is concrete so that's out. At least the cost of the retro would be huge in comparison. I don't think he wants a sub that bad. But I'll keep it in mind for the 2nd floor and up. Even then wouldn't there be a problem with cracking sheetrock over a period of time? Or even just the bass bleeding below. What experiences have you had? Jose, I'll take a look at the niles. How do you wire that? LFE out of the receiver into an input with a y adapter into L/R inputs on the 2 channel amp? Thanks, CMack
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Post 5 made on Tuesday December 10, 2002 at 23:10 |
jwalkup Founding Member |
Joined: Posts: | December 2001 320 |
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If you use an in-wall/celing, use the back box that was designed for it. it. [Link: sonance.com][Link: sonance.com]
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Post 6 made on Wednesday December 11, 2002 at 18:49 |
MesaMan Founding Member |
Joined: Posts: | August 2001 23 |
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Post 7 made on Wednesday December 11, 2002 at 20:14 |
Paul Skebba Long Time Member |
Joined: Posts: | December 2002 14 |
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We've used a Jamo (cant think of model number off hand) in-wall sub. It's wired off 4-conductor from your amp and comes with a crossover that goes in the wall below your sub(just on the bottom plate). It produces decent bass, but not like a stand alone sub does.
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Post 8 made on Wednesday December 11, 2002 at 23:24 |
Matt Founding Member |
Joined: Posts: | August 2001 1,802 |
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Check out innovoxaudio.com for a cool in ceiling sub(s)
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Post 9 made on Thursday December 12, 2002 at 14:36 |
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Post 10 made on Thursday December 12, 2002 at 22:14 |
I setup my Dad's home theater and we used all Inwall stuff from NHT, superone's in wall and round CS6.1 for surrounds, and in other rooms for ambient speakers. The in wall sub I was a little worried about because it is only and 8" woofer and it is a very large room with 10ft ceilings. But after installing everything the system sounds great, the sub has plenty of low end for movies and music. The amp is with the gear and can actually drive another 8" woofer if desired. They are under the architectural series on the NHT website. [Link: nhthifi.com]
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Post 11 made on Sunday December 15, 2002 at 14:30 |
Jeff406 Founding Member |
Joined: Posts: | August 2001 55 |
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We install more in ceiling subs than anything else. In high end custom homes without a cabinet to hide a powered sub (which is really the best) we often use the Speakercraft in-ceiling sub. The thing I wanted to add to this thread is that getting the ceiling sub in the corner of the room produces a much more dramatic bass response other that putting it more central to the room or between the rears (especially if the sub is just going to be wired passively).
Jeff
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Post 12 made on Monday December 16, 2002 at 21:49 |
I'm about linn Lurking Member |
Joined: Posts: | December 2002 9 |
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You must go line level my freinds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! speaker level old news and good for stereo convince him make him force him all about the rell www.soundslikemusic.com
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Post 13 made on Tuesday December 17, 2002 at 01:21 |
PHSJason Advanced Member |
Joined: Posts: | December 2002 994 |
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We do a lot of in-floor subs and prefer that method to any other out there. The in-floor approach gives us the ability to scope a room and build the enclosure to work with the room acoustics and avoid the "generic black box". Under the floor allows for the most flexibility in design and tuning. A good bandpass enclosure can have a volume of over 6 cubic feet when tuned to a large room and a vent that is over 30" long. We have also found that the mounting of the subwoofer enclosure to the subflooring from underneath gives the highest level of low frequency transfer. the cosmetics of a matching floor register also means the sub is all but invisible unless you know it's there. The only drawbacks to this apporoach that we have found are the level of technical skill required to properly design and tune an enclosure (there is good software out there, but it still requires a higher than average understanding of room acoustics and some wookworking skill) and making sure that you can physically get a 14" x 14" x 42" box under the house and to the location specced during pre-wire. As for amplification, the amplifier is matched to the driver and the power requirements of the subwoofer, and the wired speaker level. This also helps to avoid noise that can be induced over in wall runs of low level signal(just because you avoided the electricians' wire, doesn't mean they stayed away from your signal wire after you left). We custom build roughly 75 percent of the subs that we install, even the ported, or sealed ones in cabinets. I understand you have a concrete floor issue so this approach is probably out of the question, but may be some food for thought for the next install.
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Post 14 made on Friday December 20, 2002 at 03:17 |
gospike Lurking Member |
Joined: Posts: | December 2002 1 |
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CMACK - Have you considered the ramifications of a ceiling mounted subwoofer 20' up? We had an unpleasant situation where we had to rent scaffolding to service the subwoofer (and the client had to hire movers to clear quite a bit of furniture. Good luck!
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Post 15 made on Friday December 20, 2002 at 15:46 |
twix Long Time Member |
Joined: Posts: | July 2002 109 |
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