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Post 16 made on Friday March 17, 2006 at 01:40
dhesda
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Larry if you look at the specs, they are rated for 10 amps and 18 gauge wire. The more amps the more heat (sorry not trying to be a smart a**). That is why they warn you against useing a store bought 6 strip power adapter. I like gearguycts solution, use 12 awg and you'll never have to worry about it. I have seen the effects of overloading an 18 awg wire, not pretty. I know i'll get slamed for this but,....... I'am an electricain by trade and run my co with an CI guy.
OP | Post 17 made on Friday March 17, 2006 at 01:45
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On 1142577650, dhesda said... I
know i'll get slamed for this but,....... I'am
an electricain by trade and run my co with an
CI guy.

http://www.fineelectricco.com/
No, I wont install your plasma with an orange extension cord hanging down the wall.

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Post 18 made on Friday March 17, 2006 at 01:57
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On March 17, 2006 at 01:45, idodishez said...

NICE!!!!
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Post 19 made on Friday March 17, 2006 at 02:02
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I knew I would get slammed. Pretty funny though. idodishez I did put my neck on the token choppin' block.
Post 20 made on Friday March 17, 2006 at 02:29
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On March 16, 2006 at 17:05, dhesda said...
Could be a fire hazard if it draws more than 10
amps. All house receptical are on 15 or 20 amp
breakers. 13 amps won't trip the breaker, but
it will cause a fire.

Im not questioning your competence, but if I were in your shoes I would elaborate a lot more than what you did on your reply to this this post!

Im not an electrician, but I do understand basic electricity and your statement has no validity based on your reply. Although I do understand your point.

I can rub sticks together to start a fire but it takes a lot more on other parts that arent "up to par" than the parts that are. I.E. the ciruit not being the problem rather than the cable/conductor that carries it. Now is it capable of a 1/2 amp load to cause a fire? Yes...... It is... but with the assumption that everything else is acceptable to modern standards.......No.

Back to the question you answered. Is a 15-20 amp circuit that draws 13 amps going to cause a fire? NO, with the exception of it having something wrong with it outside of the capabilities of the receptacle/breaker.

Im not attacking you rather than giving you understanding of how to clearly answer questions/posts. I look forward to your input on questions I may have regarding your field of expertise but can also see Larry's case and point.

Last edited by DIRTE on March 17, 2006 13:37.
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Post 21 made on Friday March 17, 2006 at 13:00
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Thanx, guys.

Yes, 13 amps through an 18ga. wire will generate heat. I did not notice the wire gauge in the ad. Hell, I barely looked at the image. I said, "Oh, those things."
Post 22 made on Friday March 17, 2006 at 17:58
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By the way, I am an electrician, I do not play one on TV, and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night
Post 23 made on Monday March 20, 2006 at 13:05
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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Good, Larry. We'll keep the light on for ya, unless it doesn't work or it causes a fire.

On March 16, 2006 at 17:05, dhesda said...
Could be a fire hazard if it draws more than 10
amps. All house receptical are on 15 or 20 amp
breakers. 13 amps won't trip the breaker, but
it will cause a fire.

As Larry says, why? If 13 amps will cause a fire, then the whole NEC and electrical industry is totally screwed up.

By the way, who has a group of wall warts that draws a constant 13 amps?


On March 16, 2006 at 23:27, gearguycts said...
Why not build your own jumper?

On March 16, 2006 at 23:47, Tom Ciaramitaro said...
When you can buy one for a buck or two? How much
is your time worth???

On March 16, 2006 at 23:52, gearguycts said...
$60 an hour. If you're gonna get it locally sure
but if you're gonna have to order it? I'd just
make my own. Take about 10 minutes and you're
in business.

And your work is UL approved? "Cost" can include future liability, too. Hand electrical wiring can make a nice target if there is a fire, even if it had nothing to do with it. You can't always tell why a fire started, but when you see something not UL approved, it's likely to be blamed.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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Post 24 made on Monday March 20, 2006 at 17:35
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Whoops!
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Post 25 made on Monday March 20, 2006 at 17:36
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Just a fire electronic related story. Cabinet installer drilled through a VGA cable running to an LCD, video card shorted, sparked, caught on fire started to melt. Thank god it was caught immediately.
Post 26 made on Monday March 20, 2006 at 17:36
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On March 20, 2006 at 13:05, Ernie Bornn-Gilman said...
Good, Larry. We'll keep the light on for ya,
unless it doesn't work or it causes a fire.

As Larry says, why? If 13 amps will cause a fire,
then the whole NEC and electrical industry is
totally screwed up.


By the way, who has a group of wall warts that
draws a constant 13 amps?

And your work is UL approved? "Cost" can include
future liability, too. Hand electrical wiring
can make a nice target if there is a fire, even
if it had nothing to do with it. You can't always
tell why a fire started, but when you see something
not UL approved, it's likely to be blamed.

Well, if you think your installation will catch fire then that alone scares me. Never happened to me in the past 15 years.


You can't always
tell why a fire started, but when you see something
not UL approved, it's likely to be blamed.

I asked my brother who is a fire chief about this statement. He says you don't give them enough credit.
M. Sherer, CET, CTS-I
University of Illinois
Post 27 made on Monday March 20, 2006 at 19:44
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On March 20, 2006 at 13:05, Ernie Bornn-Gilman said...
You can't always
tell why a fire started, but when you see something
not UL approved, it's likely to be blamed.

On March 20, 2006 at 17:36, gearguycts said...
I asked my brother who is a fire chief about this
statement. He says you don't give them enough
credit.

Who? The UL or firemen?



On March 20, 2006 at 17:36, gearguycts said...
Well, if you think your installation will catch
fire then that alone scares me. Never happened
to me in the past 15 years.

I agree. There's no reason to be scared by my work. I never thought any of my fires were going to happen.

Post 28 made on Monday March 20, 2006 at 21:33
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I guess a more polite way of putting it would be that I trust an IBEW electrician a lot more than a "UL" cable made in Taiwan.
M. Sherer, CET, CTS-I
University of Illinois
Post 29 made on Monday March 20, 2006 at 23:10
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I know of a company that had a fire caused by the audio system. All wiring was legit, and all installed properly. An amplifier developed a problem. 14V DC offset. Customer turned on that zone, and left the house. Destroyed two rooms, and the water did more damage to other rooms.
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