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HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray, the Winner is...
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Post 16 made on Thursday March 2, 2006 at 11:29
FRR
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On March 2, 2006 at 10:29, Dawn Gordon Luks said...
According to Jeff Talmadge (Denon training guy)
yesterday, there are only two display devices
available right now that will actually accept
a 1080p input signal. One is a front projector
from JVC and the other is from Vidikron (using
a JVC engine). I recently read about a 2nd generation
SXRD front projector from Sony that will accept
and display a 1080p signal without conversion.
Do you know of any others?

What version of 1080p? 1080p/24 or 1080p/60?

I do realize that 1080p/60 is off in the distance, but there are a number of video proccessor that recently been brought to market that claim they are able to support 1080p/60.

Cheers
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Post 17 made on Thursday March 2, 2006 at 12:26
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I wasn't at the last training, but I am guessing Jeff from Denon said something along the lines of what's on the Denon web site HDMI FAQ:

[Link: usa.denon.com]

I refer to this link all the time...I get questions about HDMI connectivity a lot, and not many people consider that their problem might be the U-code portion of Annex A of the repeater conformity specifications of the HDMI protocol.
Post 18 made on Thursday March 2, 2006 at 15:06
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After reading the post about the guy who went to the Poineer plasma repair seminar. If the decrypted video is available where it exits the "decryption IC", all someone has to do is take the decryption IC, and throw it into a box, with connectors on both sides. Encrypted in: and decrypted out:.

It's only a matter of time before ANY copy protection scheme can be defeated. There's no more eficcient way of getting something done, than to tell everybody it can't be done. Somebody will eventually figure it out, just for the sake of saying that they did it.

It will keep the average person from copying, but anyone who is dedicated to breaking it, will be able to.
Post 19 made on Thursday March 2, 2006 at 16:27
Carl Spackler
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So..........whos the winner. The Anticipation is burning.
Gunga.....Gunga....GU-Lunga

And since Ernie won't keep count, I will. Hes up to 249, and counting.
Post 20 made on Thursday March 2, 2006 at 20:00
Dawn Gordon Luks
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On March 2, 2006 at 12:26, Kofi said...
I wasn't at the last training, but I am guessing
Jeff from Denon said something along the lines
of what's on the Denon web site HDMI FAQ:

[Link: usa.denon.com]

I refer to this link all the time...I get questions
about HDMI connectivity a lot, and not many people
consider that their problem might be the U-code
portion of Annex A of the repeater conformity
specifications of the HDMI protocol.

Yes, that's it. Thanks for the link! Jeff said, in a nutshell, that the cable boxes etc don't look for the HDMI "repeater" in receivers but for a "switcher" in the TV HDMI circuitry, and that's why it doesn't work. The bad news is that cable TV companies may or may not apply the firmware fix depending on the local market. It's ridiculous.

As far as the 1080p display inputs, he never really got into the FPS. It was bad enough without any added info. I had no idea that all these 1080p capable display devices couldn't accept a 1080p signal.

Dawn
Post 21 made on Thursday March 2, 2006 at 21:15
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LG emailed yesterday to say that they will hold off on their New HD DVD until summer to introduce a unit that will do both Blue ray and HD
No job to small, many to big
Post 22 made on Friday March 3, 2006 at 06:55
Dawn Gordon Luks
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I'll bet that LG and Samsung (if they do a dual play system) will rake in the $$$ on this one. Even early adopters don't want to get burned. Heck, I would buy one.

Dawn
Post 23 made on Friday March 3, 2006 at 07:58
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Until about a week ago, it was not disclosed that
HDCP hardware would be needed to allow the HDMI
signal to be distributed.

BCF, I am confused. It has been known since day 1 of HD/DVD & Bluray that HDMI would be required for anything better than 480P and HDMI requires HDCP (always has thats its purpose).
Simple source switching CAN (see Parasound ZHD) legally be done without messing with HDCP. The problem arises when you want to extract the audio, at this point you must have an HDMI reciever (requiring HDCP). Then you must retransmit the Video (requiring HDCP). This is not news, just a PITA
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Post 24 made on Friday March 3, 2006 at 08:13
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This is a little off topic, but as the problem is that these handshakes are external and are files being dumped. It would be great if the handshake could be established once, the MAC address or serial number of that device stored in the source processor's memory. We have had great success with 75 ft KDS HDMI cables. But with Time Warner cable box as the source we have had 33% failures on 12 ft HDMI cable. The HDCP handshake fails that often. Perhaps the problem is I don't permit the cable box to go off as I do with the display. If this is a glimpse of the future and these new HD DVDs have similiar issues then no one will use them. Who wants to turn on and off their set 3-4 times to watch TV. Cable cards failed becuase they rarely work. If this is the same Hollywood will kill this media too. The problem is in the implimentation of the handshakes which is on the manufacturing end. But we are in 3rd generation and I am seeing no improvement at all in terms of handshake success.

Perhaps the best course is to turn both source and display on and off. Oughtn't to be necessary but I'll try this today. These issues are not new either. I have been lucky but then I have been luck in not having to integrate cable boxes. Cable companies suck. As far as they are concerned the purpose of the box is to prohibit theft of service and permit them to squeeze more channels into the limited bandwidth. HDMI or on off status is not their concern.

Alan
"This is a Christian Country,Charlie,founded on Christian values...when you can't put a nativiy scene in front fire house at Christmas time in Nacogdoches Township, something's gone terribly wrong"
OP | Post 25 made on Friday March 3, 2006 at 17:00
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On March 3, 2006 at 07:58, Brentm said...
BCF, I am confused. It has been known since day
1 of HD/DVD & Bluray that HDMI would be required
for anything better than 480P and HDMI requires
HDCP (always has thats its purpose).
Simple source switching CAN (see Parasound ZHD)
legally be done without messing with HDCP. The
problem arises when you want to extract the audio,
at this point you must have an HDMI reciever (requiring
HDCP). Then you must retransmit the Video (requiring
HDCP). This is not news, just a PITA

You're right, I didn't say that very well.

What surprised me is that the HDCP hardware and software are not yet approved, and aren't in the harware that is in the market. This means buying anything with a HDMI connection for the purpose of using it with HD-DVD or Blu-ray is a waste of money, as it will only work if the content is unprotected, or the manufacturer of the disk allows a downsampled output. And if they allow downsampled output, why buy HD-DVD or Blu-ray in the first place? I can not spend the money in equipment and watch standard DVD's today.
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