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B&W? (the speakers, not the colors)
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Post 16 made on Sunday November 17, 2002 at 19:28
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And the winner for the most overused cliché by salesmen panning a product is:
“They have a great marketing department”.
Translation: I don’t like them.
Post 17 made on Sunday November 17, 2002 at 20:42
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I got to put my one cent in here. When I was looking for new souround speakers and for my price range, the best sounding speakers I heard were the B&W DM 303 series. I have them and they sound awsome for the price. Everyone that hears them are impressed. I give B&W a thumbs up!!!
Post 18 made on Saturday December 28, 2002 at 01:32
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I carry both Paradigm and B&W (and Klipsch). The Inside Track (dealer newsletter) surveys hundreds of dealers every year about many A/V products and ranks them in may parameters. Every year, dealers rank B&W and Paradigm number one and number two. Paradigm has won "best value" for thirteen years straight. No other speaker company has ever done that. But the most expensive speakers Paradigm makes are $1900/pr. ($2400/pr. in wood). Once you get over that price range, B&W ranks number one. In the $500/pr. to about $1200/pr. there is quite a bit of overlap between B&W and Paradigm.

No doubt Snell makes a great speaker. But they don't have any where near the appropriate assortment of speakers that B&W and Paradigm make. The publisher of the Inside Track newsletter made a trip to the U.K. a few months ago to tour the B&W factory(s) and wrote a four page story praising the company. She also pointed out that B&W has more PHD level research scientists on staff than any other consumer speaker company (over twenty I believe).

Also, SONY just purchased six B&W 802s to use in their mastering studio. I have a photo of Sony's vice president sitting at the console - and you know Sony could afford whatever they wanted.

I have been in the A/V industry for 34 years. Some years ago I thought B&W speakers were (not over priced, but very expensive). But now after listening to them for three years, there is nothing out there quite like them. Overall, B&W makes the best high end speakers. Paradigm makes the best moderate priced value - which is why I carry both brands.

As far as best marketing department goes - we all know that honor goes to Bose.

But - happily - neither B&W nor Paradigm has to depend on an overly agressive marketing department - once customers listen to them, their products sell themselves.

Neither company has ever put any pressure on me to sell their brand over others in my store. When dealing with a customer, after determining what price range he is in, and what type of speaker he wants (floor stander/book shelf/micro theater size) I allow the customer to audition every speaker in the store that matches his (stated) needs then let the customer make the decision. I don't really mind what brand a customer buys - as long as he buys from me.

Bruce

This message was edited by sndtowne on 12/28/02 01:44.08.
Post 19 made on Tuesday December 31, 2002 at 20:27
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Did I actually see B&W and MK being mentioned in the same sentence? I've had quite a bit of experience with both, and just don't see the connection. M&K is much like BOSE with regard to marketing. Opinions...
Post 20 made on Wednesday January 1, 2003 at 10:30
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i love b&w and so do my customers, but i do have snell for my personal home, but i was just informed b7w bought out snell and will no longer be manufacturing them anymore
Post 21 made on Wednesday January 1, 2003 at 21:54
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Wow I'm glad this post popped back up. Such hostility to the "protected" comment. Guess what B&W does fit my clients needs from time to time. We also cary Paradigm and I love the studio line. If Paradigm made a decent center channel I would endorse them whole heartedly. There is nothing wrong with selling a great sounding speaker and not having to deal with internet sales, and I discount any way even though I don't have to. We carry Klipsch and I do spec them for systems when it meets the clients needs (see I'm not evil) but I always cringe because I know they could come back and tell me that "Oh by the way I found these speakers for $.03 over your cost on the internet and I want that price." But if the situation calls for them I'll use it.

Now off on a different rant. I am really pissed about B&W's right now. We have had two different CDM-NT speakers blow tweeters on three occasions (one did it twice). So I may be changing my tune soon much to the delight of avtech and Anthonylobo I'm sure.
Post 22 made on Thursday January 2, 2003 at 15:58
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none of them sound like real music.absolute fact! get a drum kit in your living room hit the bass drum and ask your self if your best speakers ever sounded exactly like that. no they dont .so we compromise.its all subjective and a matter of taste.people will always sell what they passionately belive to be the best.that does not always make it the best for you.PMC are very good he he he! got you lot going!
Post 23 made on Saturday January 4, 2003 at 18:20
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On this general topic; how do the B&W family of flush-mount speakers sound compared to other brands that were mentioned such as Paradigm and Snell?
Post 24 made on Saturday January 4, 2003 at 21:19
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"When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord, in his wisdom, didn't work that way. So I just stole one and asked him to forgive me."


"xxx" - emo phillips
Post 25 made on Saturday January 4, 2003 at 23:36
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Now I know you thought that was funny. But here's what the Bible has to say about thieves:

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor THIEVES nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
Post 26 made on Sunday January 5, 2003 at 01:00
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Why do some people even think guys like Emo Phillips and Carrot Top are even funny?
Post 27 made on Monday January 6, 2003 at 17:53
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On 01/04/03 23:36, sndtowne said...
Now I know you thought that was funny. But here's
what the Bible has to say about thieves:

"Do you not know that the wicked will not
inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor
adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual
offenders nor THIEVES nor the greedy nor drunkards
nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the
kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.

my bible doesnt mention homosexual offenders but later on it does say "what business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside." expell the wicked man from among you"
i think that means look at your self first before having a go at others ...just a thought
Post 28 made on Monday January 6, 2003 at 18:23
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How did it go from B&W speakers, to bible thumping?
Post 29 made on Monday January 6, 2003 at 19:07
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sorry he just distracted me .your right i think B&W are a good compromise compared to real music but it is all a matter of taste.
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