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Post 1 made on Monday October 21, 2002 at 19:33
phil
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I am bidding a Toshiba 65HDX82 projection TV for a job. Are there discreet codes for input selection? I see only on and off in the discreet section here. The remote has only an input select button. The Toshiba rep at cedia assured me that they were available-ha.
"Regarding surround sound, I know musicians too well to want them behind my back."
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Post 2 made on Wednesday October 23, 2002 at 22:00
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All of Toshiba's larger TV's have input and power discreets. The widesceens even have aspect ratio discreets.

For the inputs, the user (or remote program) hits the input button, then quickly hit the number assigned to the input as displayed on the screen. The numbers never change, even if you lock out the input, and you can either scroll through the inputs by pressing input, or do the above and get the discreet, immediate access.

Good looking sets too.

Hope you like em!
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OP | Post 3 made on Thursday October 24, 2002 at 00:07
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Thanks avdude, that will work for my application. I found that I can also use the Denon AVR1803/3803 receiver which has an internal composit and s-video input converter to component out so I need only use one input on the TV. I'll add the switch to video4 as part of my power-on macro.
"Regarding surround sound, I know musicians too well to want them behind my back."
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Post 4 made on Thursday October 24, 2002 at 12:29
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Avdude,
I have a question, I have the similar set-up at a customers house (Toshiba 65" and surround sound etc..)
I programmed a pronto to operate his system seemlessly.
The only problem is I cannot get the tv to switch to the HD input directly like I programmed my Macro to do.
I read your post but It still seems to be unclear to me.
Help?
Post 5 made on Friday October 25, 2002 at 08:01
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Twix,

Use the tv remote for a minute, and these steps will become more clear.

1- Press input button
2- A list of inputs will be displayed in a pinkish, purple color on the screen, Maybe you've named them, maybe they're still the factory default labels, doesn't really matter.
3- The number associated to the input on the left side of the list (IE: 1: DVD or 2: VCR or 3: Input three) is the number you actually hit or the keypad, or in your programming after a short delay, to get the discreet code.

It's a two button press, but it does allow for the discreets in programming a custom remote.

Toshiba did this to accomodate custom installers as well as the occasionally less than savvy customer.

I DO NOT KNOW IF THE STANDARD VERSIONS AVAILABLE AT THE BIG BOX STORES HAVE THESE EXTENDED FEATURES AND DISCREETS. For some reason I am thinking that ONLY the cinema series, which are ONLY available to custom installers (thanks Toshiba!) have these features!

Is your customer's TV the 65HDX81 or 82, or is it the 65HD81 or 82?

The "X" in Toshiba's model numbers denotes whether it's a Cinema series or a standard series.
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Post 6 made on Friday October 25, 2002 at 21:28
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i installed a cinema series set once.... I couldn;t find any discrete codes for input switching...

None of the less expensive sets they sell have discrete video switching codes

(needless to say, Toshiba doesn't get specced here at all.... too bad.. it's a nice tv)
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Post 7 made on Saturday October 26, 2002 at 10:07
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Ahl,

How long ago was "once?"

You should definitely give another looksee at Toshiba Cinema Series.

I should clarify my position on this issue, so as not to muddy the water. I do not work for Toshiba, but we are a die-hard Toshiba Cinema dealer and remain very faithful to the product, as they have been very good to us. The "little" things they do are great, like no cinemas to the big guys, only custom, extra video tweaks, and discreets!

As I previously stated, and I guess I should clarify, these are not "discreet" codes in the true sense of the word, but with any universal remote capable of executing macros (95+%), they ARE a discreet code.

Here's how it would work on the last 2 model years worth of Cinema Series anyway....

You or the customer would (will) sit down in front of your TV. Press the input button on the TV remote, and a list of the inputs comes up labeled 1-? depending on the number of inputs your TV has. Each input has a number beside it. You can re-name the inputs with the advanced features of the set, but you CANNOT change the number of the input! Why? Because this is how Toshiba is able to offer both the "Input Scroll" and "Direct (semi-discreet) Input Selection" methods.

You can either scroll numerically through each input OR you can press the number of the input you want.

Now, to program any universal remote to do this, you tell it to hit input, then insert a quick delay, then hit a number on the number pad!

That's it. So it's actually a semi-discreet code set, to allow for functionality.

Oh, by the way, both Toshiba and Hitachi are now making their highest end 60+ inch sets in TWO pieces so they're easier to handle. YEAH!!!

I have been (forced at times) to every training available on these televisions, so that's why I'm so full of useless info....

It's good to put it here as maybe it will clear my head.

Ahl, try a Toshiba now, I know you'll like it. Margins are better too!

I know most of these features are new to the last two model years, so you may have had a slightly older set.
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Post 8 made on Sunday October 27, 2002 at 00:24
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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That definition of "once" is important because early Cinema models did not have the two-step quasi-direct input access.

The Spelling Curmudgeon now:

"discreet" means you won't kiss and tell

"discrete," at dictionary.com, is
1.Constituting a separate thing. See Synonyms at distinct.
2.Consisting of unconnected distinct parts.
3.Mathematics. Defined for a finite or countable set of values; not continuous.

We use "discrete" for some IR commands because the commands control distinct separate items, such as Video 1, Video 2, etc., not just toggling among the Videos.

In electronics it means made of individual small parts (as in discrete circuitry, opposed in meaning to integrated circuitry).
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
Post 9 made on Sunday October 27, 2002 at 12:10
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Ernie,

I have to apologize for my poor use of the word discreet, versus discrete. However, if you'll look at the official definition of "discreet" you'll notice that the one of the roots and Latin meaning is to seperate and/or distinguish between. So, in theory, the difference between video 1 and video 2 could be "discreet" or "discrete." Gotta love this language, no wonder it's so confusing to learn as a child.


Main Entry: dis·creet
Pronunciation: di-'skrEt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French discret, from Medieval Latin discretus, from Latin, past participle of discernere to separate, distinguish between -- more at DISCERN
Date: 14th century
1 : having or showing discernment or good judgment in conduct and especially in speech : PRUDENT; especially : capable of preserving prudent silence
2 : UNPRETENTIOUS, MODEST
3 : UNOBTRUSIVE, UNNOTICEABLE
- dis·creet·ly adverb
- dis·creet·ness noun

Also, when using a direct quote from a written source, you should put the entire text in quotations, unless it is DIRECTLY copied from the source, as the above definition of "discreet" is from the www.webster.com website. Always use at least one space after a period. Curmudgeon is a noun in most contexts, a verb in several and in either case would not normally be proper, therefore it would not require capitalization.

At least it's good to know neither of us is discreet (unpretentous or modest) in exercising our use and knowledge of the English language.

I value your opionions and of all the posters at RC, I always look for your responses to problems, and know that they will help the people out. Keep it up, just having a little grammar fun with you.

Back to the discrete code discussions...

Brian
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Post 10 made on Sunday October 27, 2002 at 16:10
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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Spelling Curmudgeon is capitalized because I am taking it on as a name. Look at it again, and you will see what I mean.

And indeed, being discreet is separating the stuff you should say or do from the stuff you should not, so it makes sense that the two words come from the same origin.

As for quotation marks, remember when EVERY book title, article title, and movie title HAD to be in quotes?

Remember when "everyday" was two words instead of one unless you actually meant "ordinary?" Thank Toyota for hearing that from its ad plebes and spreading it around the world.

Remember when there were two words, "until" and "till," and they both meant the same thing, and they were spelled differently because they had different roots and history. Now we have " 'til," as in Jack In The Box's "we don't cook it 'til you order it."

Nobody gets all this stuff. For that matter, do you remember when "nobody" was two words? Or "everyone" or "everybody?" Wait -- you are probably not hundreds of years old, but they used to be separate.

I went from High School English, where "there is only one way and one way only, and you will learn it," to the UCLA Linguistics Department, where language is constantly changing and evolving.

Webmasters have similar problems. For more of this fun, go to a forum at

[Link: webmasterworld.com]
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Post 11 made on Monday October 28, 2002 at 01:54
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did that one 6 months ago... yes, it had the 2 step video switching...

It's find for a Pronto remote, but I'm one of the wierdos here who hates those things... It's also great on an mx700, since it has a million macros..

But, for an mx500, which is all that half of my cheap-assed customers will spring for, it's a no bueno.... (and those who aren't cheap-assed want plasmas... heh)
We can do it my way, or we can do it my way while I yell. The choice is yours.
Post 12 made on Monday October 28, 2002 at 16:15
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Thanks to avdude for his help, to all those interested my problem is still not figured out yet. The TV is a Toshiba TW65H80, which to my knowledge does not have assignable inputs. It just switches between video inputs via the tv/video button. ugh...
Post 13 made on Monday October 28, 2002 at 20:06
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Mark,

I e-mailed you a few minutes ago. The TW65H80 is a 2000 model year, and not a cinema series. They were beta testing the quasi-discretes (Thanks Ernie, new catch phrase, used twice today alone!!) but did not have them on every set in 2000, and they were only found on a select few Toshiba's that year. Anywho, your have a very lenghty e-mail, and my phone number, in your in box.

Later

Brian
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OP | Post 14 made on Tuesday October 29, 2002 at 18:34
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twix,

I have checked the current non-cinema series Toshiba projectors and if you change channels while on any video input it will switch to the tuner mode. You can build a macro that will go to any input on a set with this feature. Example 1, 2 (sets to tuner mode channel 12) then input, input, input gives you video2.
On Panasonic sets the channel up or down button will get you to the tuner mode, then the video button gets you to the correct input. Its a kludge but it works.

"Regarding surround sound, I know musicians too well to want them behind my back."
-Walter Becker
Post 15 made on Friday November 1, 2002 at 21:44
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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Phil, you write

""Thanks avdude...I found that I can also use the Denon AVR1803/3803 receiver which has an internal composite and s-video input converter to component out so I need only use one input on the TV....""

Did you find that in the manual, or did someone accidentally leave the monitor on its component input when the VCR was playing? I know that reading a manual on the internet is difficult, but I just went through the manual on the 1803 and did not see anything about that! Is this worth a new thread? I think I will start one...
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
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