A quick work around for toggle bit IR codes, like the ones Delphi uses, is to set up two buttons next to each other. One for the first command, one for the second. On a touch screen remote I usuallu have a CH. +1 and under that a CH+2. They just alternate hitting the 1 and 2 buttons to scroll up. On a remote with no LCD I will make whatever button is above the up pad and below the down pad the second part of the IR code. On URC Osiris, the up pad and play are the two buttons used to scroll up, and the down pad and stop are used to scroll down. This allows me to program toggle bit IR codes into just about any remote my clients want.

Nice fix. I would rather try to find something more reliable like using a pronto, or RS232. We very rarely run into toggle bit-ir because most programming is done on the equipment that we install/spec into the job, and they don't use toggle bit.

Also, welcome to RC! The crowd can be rough at times, but it is a great way to learn about new things, especially if you are having some wierd problem with somwthing.

Mike

Thanks,
I have been using Remote Central for years, just never posted. I run into this mostly with XM recievers that my customres already have. I put everything else on 1 remote, it is nice to get this on it also. I have run into toggle bit with some power buttons on Marantz and other companies equipment. I usually didnt find out until I called tech support. This has been a problem for a while for me with the XM units, URC suggested the MX3000 of course, which isnt an option for most customers. Now I hope others who have had the same problem can at least have some work around.

Another way aound this is to program macros on every button. Learn all the "A" commands onto the buttons, then put an anchor as the second command in the macro. For example:

Channel Up "A"
Power On "A"

I have a feeling that it will become harder to avoid toggle bit because its becoming more common. The new Yamaha, Denon, and Marantz DVD players as well as all the current DirecTV receivers are toggle bit.

What Denon product is toggle?

What is a toggle bit? Don't think I've run into this yet? Can someone explain? When is it used? etc...

The low end denons...ithink the dvd-556 is one of them. Most manufacturers have resorted to OEMing lower end DVD players from Philips. The Denon,Marantz, and Yamahas are all essentially the same piece.

I thought the 556 had the same IR codes as the 555. I don't think that its toggle bit, but I haven't had to program a remtoe for one yet.

Mike

again... what is toggle bit?

I understand discretes, Rs-232 and power toggle (same button for on and off)... but is the concept "toggle bit" something new to watch out for?

Thanks.

A toggle bit ir code is using two codes for the same "button" the first bit executes the code in question, but if you send the same command the unit won't respond, instead it needs the other half of the toggle bit in order to "press the button" again. I hope that makes a bit of sense fluid-druid.

As far as yamaha dvd players having toggle bits I haven't run into that yet, but I haven't done too many yet.

A toggle-bit IR codes where the last bit of the IR toggles between 1 and 0 with concurrent presses of a button.

Philips uses this on their products and OEMs for a quite a few other brands. Arcam is also another brand that pops into my mind.

One trick I use when I have a simple and partially inferior remote, is to learn all the codes into a cheap learning remote. I have a PM-525S that I keep in the truck for this type situation. After learning the codes into this remote, I then learn it into the final remote control that the client will be using.

This remote and a few other inexpensive philips remotes actually strip the toggle bit from the code and in most circumstances allow a non RC5 capable remote to control a device utilizing RC5 toggle-bit IR codes.