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Topic: | Aren't Banana Plugs Poor Connectors? This thread has 42 replies. Displaying posts 31 through 43. |
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Post 31 made on Wednesday July 6, 2005 at 11:41 |
ejfiii Select Member |
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On 07/06/05 10:36 ET, Thon said...
If your wire needs to be that thick, shouldn't the metal trace on your output transistors be that thick as well? Just a thought. Or the wires inside the speakers from the binding posts to the xover to the speakers? Or the wires in the amp from the amp section to the binding posts? Great point. LOL!
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Post 32 made on Wednesday July 6, 2005 at 15:47 |
diesel Senior Member |
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You would have to take into account how long your speaker wires are. If you are talking about six inches or 100 feet, your loss and impedance is going to be completely different. You wouldn't run 18 guage wire over 100 feet and expect to have the same sound as a 14 or 12 guage wire, would you?
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Post 33 made on Wednesday July 6, 2005 at 18:28 |
bcf1963 Super Member |
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On 07/06/05 09:59 ET, Ernie Bornn-Gilman said...
Another by the way, bcf1963, how is your friend thx1138? Do I know thx1138? Am I missing a good joke? Perhaps it was a bad joke :-) Of course, you must understand that we can't give ANY credence to your measurements unless you tell us the actual model number.
Cracked me up when I had the thought to write that.
Also, kudos for even knowing what a Kelvin connection is. It has been so long that I don't even know if I am using the term correctly. It was an HP34401A. It was calibrated 3/15/05, calibration is good for 1 year. The calibration is NIST traceable per our ISO9000 specs. Sorry I left out these important details! ;-)
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OP | Post 34 made on Wednesday July 6, 2005 at 20:39 |
Ernie Bornn-Gilman Yes, That Ernie! |
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On 07/06/05 18:28 ET, bcf1963 said...
Do I know thx1138? Am I missing a good joke? Perhaps it was a bad joke :-) It was indeed a bad joke. It was, I think, the first Steven Spielberg movie. And a pretty bad one at that. A network mogul said that the 166 page script was about 106 pages too long and that the movie should have been fifteen minutes.... It was an HP34401A. It was calibrated 3/15/05, calibration is good for 1 year. The calibration is NIST traceable per our ISO9000 specs. Sorry I left out these important details! Yeah, well ME TOO! ;-) Actually, it just totally cracked me up that this question even occurred to my totally anal brain. I had to ask it just to see what you would do, and your sense of humor is intact!
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Post 35 made on Wednesday July 6, 2005 at 21:07 |
2nd rick Super Member |
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On 07/06/05 10:36 ET, Thon said...
If your wire needs to be that thick, shouldn't the metal trace on your output transistors be that thick as well? Just a thought. No. The leads from an electronic component are maybe 1/4" long...
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Rick Murphy Troy, MI |
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Post 36 made on Wednesday July 6, 2005 at 21:18 |
2nd rick Super Member |
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On 07/06/05 20:39 ET, Ernie Bornn-Gilman said...
It was indeed a bad joke. It was, I think, the first Steven Spielberg movie. And a pretty bad one at that. A network mogul said that the 166 page script was about 106 pages too long and that the movie should have been fifteen minutes... It was George Lucas' first, not Spielberg... and the title is partially considered the source for the name of the THX theater sound criteria system. The name is also reported to be an acronym for: Tomlinson Holman's Xperiment.
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Rick Murphy Troy, MI |
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Post 37 made on Wednesday July 6, 2005 at 21:43 |
2nd rick Super Member |
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Back on topic, until we see Speakons are on the rear panel of receivers, I guess bananas are as good as it gets for consumer gear...
Bare wire has it's fans, but I use bananas because IMO, they are a more consistent connection with a lower chance of stray conductors shorting together in the tight confines of a multi-channel amp or receiver.
Also, I like the solderless AudioStream models that have their own insulating sleeves that can be changed from the front without re-terminating the wire. Nothing is more frustrating than having to take apart a connection because you forgot to run the wire through the insulating marker in the proper sequence before soldering.
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Rick Murphy Troy, MI |
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Post 38 made on Wednesday July 6, 2005 at 23:26 |
ejfiii Select Member |
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On 07/06/05 21:43 ET, 2nd rick said...
Also, I like the solderless AudioStream models 2nd rick, got any more info on these? Google search didn't yield much. Thanks.
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Post 39 made on Thursday July 7, 2005 at 00:15 |
2nd rick Super Member |
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AudioStream is like an accessory brand of Paradigm...
The thing is, I haven't been a 'Digm dealer in years, and have used the crappy Sonance bananas. Maybe someone here would order some up and move them sideways (pre-paid of course) in a case lot or partial case lot??
My e-mail is in my profile.
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Rick Murphy Troy, MI |
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Post 40 made on Thursday July 7, 2005 at 08:06 |
ejfiii Select Member |
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On 07/07/05 00:15 ET, 2nd rick said...
AudioStream is like an accessory brand of Paradigm...
The thing is, I haven't been a 'Digm dealer in years, and have used the crappy Sonance bananas. Maybe someone here would order some up and move them sideways (pre-paid of course) in a case lot or partial case lot??
My e-mail is in my profile. I'd be into that as well. But in the meantime I wouldn't mind seeing a pic or info about them. There is nada on the net that I can find.
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Post 41 made on Thursday July 7, 2005 at 12:58 |
Thon Founding Member |
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On 07/06/05 21:07 ET, 2nd rick said...
No. The leads from an electronic component are maybe 1/4" long... What difference does that make? A bottle neck is a bottle neck regardless of length. Measure the resistance of 100' of a single strand of cat and see what you get.
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Post 42 made on Thursday July 7, 2005 at 17:54 |
2nd rick Super Member |
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First of all, you are confusing measured resistance with voltage drop of a circuit at full load...
Measure the voltage of the a circuit at the source (power supply, transformer tap, battery, etc.), and then again at full load at any given point in the circuit. This is the true indication of loss in the circuit, not a resistance measurement.
Have you even seen a fuse?? The distances are so short that the efffect on the circuit is minimal.
A lead on a component, or a trace on a crossover board, or a tinsel lead on a driver, are all smaller conductors, yes... but for a VERY SMALL portion of the circuit. The portion of the circuit that has any significant length is what needs to be of the proper gauge to minimize voltage drop.
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Rick Murphy Troy, MI |
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Post 43 made on Friday July 8, 2005 at 13:52 |
TJG55 Long Time Member |
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EBG Got the referenvce to THX1138...saw it in original release..at a drive-in theatre nite before marriage many many moons ago...hey ..when there was so little SF out there we were happy with what we could get. tjg
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