Just a little venting along with some curiosity. I am setting up a remote control system for a theater I did not wire. Almost every thing has discretes and the system works great sept for a little problem. This system has Krell FPB amps that do have a toggle power switch on the remote but not any discrete power commands. The person who did the wiring did not pull any kind of trigger wire for these amps so that is not an option. Anyway why is it so hard for some of these manufactures to just put in two extra commands in their ir component controls? I just don't get it.

Most manufacturers care about marketing NOT INSTALLERS thats is why. The trend is rapidly changing though.

I think an irate letter to their sales department might actually do some good.

Point out that this works well for people who want to use all the separate remotes that their components have. All seven, or eight, nine, eleventy-seven....

Point out that because there is no discrete power code, you can only spec these products for people whose budgets do not include remote programming.

But wait, those people can't afford those amps!

So you can't spec them for anything at all!

That means that you must avoid using (selling, installing) their products because of two little stupid IR codes.

I wish this could work with the larger companies. Krell is small enough that they might actually hear about the letter.

Excuse me, I have to go write an email to AVAD. I keep getting emails with the headline "Betcha didn't know...." First, it's "Bet you." Second, it was cute almost three times. At this point I am fleeping tired of them telling me that they think I am ignorant. That's okay; my response is to close the email and go elsewhere.

I mostly use the Harmony remotes, so discrete codes are very rarely an issue anymore. The only times it gets annoying is input switching if you don't have discretes, but the Harmony can accomodate even that.

For example I had a Panasonic LCD rear projection without discrete inputs, I just cut out all the other inputs on the TV that weren't being used - then told the Harmony that's what I'd done. It now just flicks between the inputs I used, and remembers which input was last used, so it never gets out of sync.

It's nearly as clean as discretes, try that with a Pronto or HTM remote. If it wasn't for the lack of RF support, I would use a Harmony 100% of the time. It has a few issues, but it makes up for it's shortcomings by just making everything work in a logical manner, and doing things other remotes just can't.