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Post 1 made on Wednesday September 22, 2021 at 20:15
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About to meet owners of a new Yoga studio to talk about sound. I imagine they are going to want to teach a class and be able to talk on a microphone to participants.

So far I think they will need a wireless mic, mixer and a couple of speakers. Room is about 20' x 30'.

Looking for suggestions on equipment and speaker placement. What I had in mind.

-Shure wireless headset system
-Small mixer
- 2 JBL powered speakers on wall

Is there a simple powered single line array speaker that can be placed high in the room that might create more clarity and better coverage in a room. What about one of those JBL line array column/subwoofer systems that street buskers use? That could be an easy solution that includes a mixer with bluetooth. I've heard that these line array columns are less prone to feedback, which would be a bonus.
Post 2 made on Thursday September 23, 2021 at 08:23
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On September 22, 2021 at 20:15, mrtristan said...
About to meet owners of a new Yoga studio to talk about sound. I imagine they are going to want to teach a class and be able to talk on a microphone to participants.

So far I think they will need a wireless mic, mixer and a couple of speakers. Room is about 20' x 30'.

Looking for suggestions on equipment and speaker placement. What I had in mind.

-Shure wireless headset system
-Small mixer
- 2 JBL powered speakers on wall

Is there a simple powered single line array speaker that can be placed high in the room that might create more clarity and better coverage in a room. What about one of those JBL line array column/subwoofer systems that street buskers use? That could be an easy solution that includes a mixer with bluetooth. I've heard that these line array columns are less prone to feedback, which would be a bonus.

20' x 30' is pretty small to need line array speakers and the single column speakers I have heard didn't have wide enough dispersion to cover 20' OR 30' of width. It's yoga, not Woodstock and the SPL won't be very high.

I did a yoga studio that's close to the same size and since their budget was very small, I decided that setting their expectations at a realistic level would be the first step in the process.

The equipment used is:

- Dayton MA-1240 power amp, with 10 channels used for the main room (five pairs, bridged) and two channels for the yoga studio.
- Polk Atrium speakers (one of the larger pairs), mounted to the wall at the front of the room. The room is acoustically live, so everyone hears the sound well and the SPL is moderate.
- Rolls MX-153 mixer, mounted in the wall with the face flush with the surface in the yoga studio- this is set to operate in mono because there's no reason for stereo.
- BT receiver and a 3.5mm cable for using a phone or tablet as the source, with a wooden tray to hold it when they don't want to carry the piece.
- Wireless mic of their choice- don't remember which brand, but they have killed a few in the main room, from sweat.
- One channel of a Behringer stereo 15 band EQ with feedback killer, set up by using REW and pink noise.

The SPL is high enough and the frequency range is wide enough that one of the HVAC diffusers was rattling.

I was pleasantly surprised by the Rolls mixers- I didn't expect much, but they have worked very well.

In a space like that, consistent SPL is a great thing to have and more speakers would provide more even coverage might be something to consider- some kind of pendant speaker might work. I would be surprised if the system operates at more than 2W on a regular basis, but that only applies to a place that's used strictly for yoga- if they decide to use it for HIIT (High Intensity Interval Trailing) or spinning classes and need more energetic announcements, more power would be an obvious need.
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Post 3 made on Thursday September 23, 2021 at 09:05
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Several observations: 1. what do your suppliers offer? 2. If you don't have a supplier, there are several options available 2. Fit the tool to the job
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Post 4 made on Thursday September 23, 2021 at 14:30
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I thought yoga studios were supposed to be relatively quiet and serene, not loud and thumping. Now if they double as an aerobics studio as well, then I think you're on the right path, but I prefer AKG microphones, since I can get them from the same Disty.

If it is strictly for yoga, I would go with multiple in-ceiling speakers (if possible), or smaller surface mount. Maybe some Control 28's or something like that.

As far as mixer and power are concerned, I'd just have to see what is available. I have found that right now you can't be too picky. JBL CDI amps are on backorder until March or April next year.

Atlas seems to have good stock on most of their stuff, but I still prefer JBL/Crown when I can get it.
Post 5 made on Thursday September 23, 2021 at 16:48
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Regardless of your feelings about the issue, the teachers will expect to be able to wirelessly play audio from their phone/pad (usually Apple for some reason). That serene Yogi will suddenly become huffy if not able to play their music.
Post 6 made on Friday September 24, 2021 at 14:09
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On September 23, 2021 at 16:48, buzz said...
Regardless of your feelings about the issue, the teachers will expect to be able to wirelessly play audio from their phone/pad (usually Apple for some reason). That serene Yogi will suddenly become huffy if not able to play their music.

Yep. With phone/ipad volumes on top of mixer volumes on top of mic volumes, these things tend to be perpetual service/how-to calls. If you have more business than you can handle, avoid.
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Post 7 made on Friday September 24, 2021 at 17:39
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On September 24, 2021 at 14:09, IRkiller said...
Yep. With phone/ipad volumes on top of mixer volumes on top of mic volumes, these things tend to be perpetual service/how-to calls. If you have more business than you can handle, avoid.

Depends on the setup really. Bluetooth wallplate (decora) with simple controls for pairing, a decora volume control for the dsp, a great dsp and simple logic has overcome any issues/calls/complaints for us using Extron gear. You need to find unity gain for the Bluetooth input using the phone at 100% volume. Most phones connect at that volume level.
Post 8 made on Saturday September 25, 2021 at 11:44
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Iíve been in many yoga studios, several larger than that and never had a need for anything larger than a small Sonos or Bluetooth speaker. And the instructor never even came close to needing a mic

However you might talk to them about absorption panels
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Post 9 made on Saturday September 25, 2021 at 14:48
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What FPCrazy said.
Post 10 made on Saturday September 25, 2021 at 14:54
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On September 24, 2021 at 14:09, IRkiller said...
Yep. With phone/ipad volumes on top of mixer volumes on top of mic volumes, these things tend to be perpetual service/how-to calls. If you have more business than you can handle, avoid.

With proper setup and instruction (including cheat sheets), there's no reason for "I don't know how this works!" calls, EVER. It doesn't require a rocket surgeon to operate.
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 11 made on Saturday September 25, 2021 at 14:59
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On September 25, 2021 at 11:44, FP Crazy said...
Iíve been in many yoga studios, several larger than that and never had a need for anything larger than a small Sonos or Bluetooth speaker. And the instructor never even came close to needing a mic

However you might talk to them about absorption panels

In a yoga studio, I doubt a mic is needed but for someone in a larger/higher intensity training room, yelling all day quickly kills the voice and the mic/multiple speakers allows more even coverage- the room I did has four pairs of speakers with a separate level control for each pair. Very simple to operate and there's not much they can do to screw it up unless they move the mixer's input controls from the 12:00 position because I set it up that way- they have no access to the equalizer or the input level controls on the power amp but they could use the Art Head amp's controls improperly. However, the owner wouldn't let that happen more than once.
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 12 made on Saturday September 25, 2021 at 19:11
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A dBx 1260 (or similar) based system and a couple keypads can make the system bulletproof. There is virtually no visible technology and too smart for their own good 'helpers' are locked out.


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