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OSHA Construction vs. General Industry
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Post 16 made on Wednesday April 14, 2021 at 08:35
Ranger Home
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On April 1, 2021 at 16:49, SWOInstaller said...
This is crazy to me. If you don't have a hard hat and safety boots (steel toe and shank) there's no point of showing up.

And thats crazy to me. Hard hat? On residential built? Overkill and just not needed. I dont recall ever seeing a hard hat on a house build. Steel toed is even pushing it. English speaking would be a safer requirement.
Post 17 made on Wednesday April 14, 2021 at 22:44
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On April 14, 2021 at 08:35, Ranger Home said...
And thats crazy to me. Hard hat? On residential built? Overkill and just not needed. I dont recall ever seeing a hard hat on a house build. Steel toed is even pushing it. English speaking would be a safer requirement.

Pretty common requirement here in California.  At least with the high end builders I work with.  Don't even think of stepping on a project site without them.
Post 18 made on Wednesday April 14, 2021 at 23:25
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On April 1, 2021 at 16:49, SWOInstaller said...
This is crazy to me. If you don't have a hard hat and safety boots (steel toe and shank) there's no point of showing up. Our Ministry of Labour will sit in their vehicles and take photos of guys not wearing proper ppe or doing something stupid and will bring the evidence with them when they come with their ticket book. They also don't just ticket the person that was not complying, this person will get the smallest ticket, the site super gets the next ticket, the guys company gets the next ticket and the site company gets the final ticket, with tickets ranging from $100 up to $25,000.

Seems a little too obsessive for me with the fines. I have been on state and federal funded Union projects in NYC where they require OSHA certification, hard hat, steel toe & vest but they also had cranes flying stuff overhead outside but even when we were inside they required us to still wear it because they had a safety inspector on site. If you were caught the first time without it you were warned and the second time you were sent home.
I have never done a regular residential in NY or NJ that REQUIRED it.
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Post 19 made on Thursday April 15, 2021 at 09:06
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On April 14, 2021 at 08:35, Ranger Home said...

English speaking would be a safer requirement.

Solid comment!
Post 20 made on Thursday April 15, 2021 at 10:29
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On April 15, 2021 at 09:06, SWFLMike said...
English speaking would be a safer requirement.

Solid comment!

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Post 21 made on Thursday April 15, 2021 at 13:42
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On April 15, 2021 at 09:06, SWFLMike said...
English speaking would be a safer requirement.

Solid comment!

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Post 22 made on Thursday April 15, 2021 at 17:53
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On April 14, 2021 at 22:44, P2P said...
Pretty common requirement here in California.  At least with the high end builders I work with.  Don't even think of stepping on a project site without them.

California being the main point here.
Post 23 made on Thursday April 15, 2021 at 22:51
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On April 14, 2021 at 22:44, P2P said...
Pretty common requirement here in California.  At least with the high end builders I work with.  Don't even think of stepping on a project site without them.

Not uncommon at all in the Rockies either. I always have a hard hat and vest handy.
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Post 24 made on Thursday April 15, 2021 at 23:02
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On April 15, 2021 at 09:06, SWFLMike said...
English speaking would be a safer requirement.

Solid comment!

But on many sites, English is the odd language.
Post 25 made on Monday April 19, 2021 at 15:25
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On April 14, 2021 at 08:35, Ranger Home said...
And thats crazy to me. Hard hat? On residential built? Overkill and just not needed. I dont recall ever seeing a hard hat on a house build. Steel toed is even pushing it. English speaking would be a safer requirement.

We don't only need steel toed, we also need steel shank to stop you from stepping on something and it going through your foot. Providing the site is considered "under construction" hard hat and safety footwear is required at all times (even in a finished house) although most inspectors are pretty lenient in a finished home not requiring a hard hat, but the second you step outside it better be on your head.

English speaking is also becoming less and less here as well.

Many years ago I was working for an industrial construction company and we were digging footings/foundations for wind turbines in the middle of farmers fields. MOL required hard hat, safety boots (minimum 6" boot with a shank), Long pants, t-shirt, High Vis vest, and safety glasses at all times. If getting within the barrier of the hole we would also need fall arrest harness and double lanyard. This while standing in a farmers field in 30+C (80+F) heat with 40+C (100+F) humidex, and the only equipment around is a high hoe.
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Post 26 made on Monday April 19, 2021 at 15:32
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On April 14, 2021 at 23:25, AnilAppleLink said...
Seems a little too obsessive for me with the fines. I have been on state and federal funded Union projects in NYC where they require OSHA certification, hard hat, steel toe & vest but they also had cranes flying stuff overhead outside but even when we were inside they required us to still wear it because they had a safety inspector on site. If you were caught the first time without it you were warned and the second time you were sent home.
I have never done a regular residential in NY or NJ that REQUIRED it.

Really no difference than you not wearing your seatbelt while driving and a cop giving you a ticket for it.

The fines are only issued by the MOL, however the site supervisor, general contractor, your boss has the right to kick you off site if you don't comply with the safety regulations. Remember if the MOL were to arrive on site and caught me without required safety I would be getting $100 fine, my supervisor could get a $500 fine, my boss gets $1000, site super gets $1000, builder gets $10,000. It's never just a single ticket that is handed out when the show up. At the end of the day they are wanting everyone to be safe and get home that night unharmed.
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