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Post 1 made on Tuesday November 10, 2020 at 18:30
Krassyg
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Stupid question; do custom integrators need to take the Construction or General Industry OSHA 30?
Post 2 made on Wednesday November 11, 2020 at 09:32
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Check with your state's licensing requirements.
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Post 3 made on Wednesday November 11, 2020 at 09:33
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On November 10, 2020 at 18:30, Krassyg said...
Stupid question; do custom integrators need to take the Construction or General Industry OSHA 30?

Going by the work I have seen done by some, I would guess the answer is "No".

It's always good to know about safety and good practices, but I have never seen a requirement for these in the time I have done this work.
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Post 4 made on Wednesday November 11, 2020 at 14:46
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Let's confirm highfigh's approach to the situation by rephrasing a bit:

Have any of you custom integrators
a) ever heard of Construction or General Industry OSHA 30?
b) ever seen either or both of these to be a requirement for work in this field?

I have not, in both cases.

Last edited by Ernie Gilman on November 11, 2020 15:31.
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OP | Post 5 made on Wednesday November 11, 2020 at 15:32
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The super on a job in NYC is actually requesting it from me and I am going to take it(online). I am just not sure if we fall under "general industry" or "construction". I would assume that "construction" is more relevant to our field since we are normally present during the construction or the renovation of the place.
Post 6 made on Wednesday November 11, 2020 at 16:49
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Yes, I have heard of the GC requiring it.

CT requires the 10 hour to work on any state funded project.
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Post 7 made on Wednesday November 11, 2020 at 18:31
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I have been required to take OSHA training for a few jobs, but only large scale commercial ones, the kind that required hard hats and steel-toed boots. I don't remember what the name of the class was, but it was done on site and took a day.
Post 8 made on Wednesday November 11, 2020 at 19:22
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On November 11, 2020 at 16:49, Rob Grabon said...
Yes, I have heard of the GC requiring it.

CT requires the 10 hour to work on any state funded project.

And Connecticut is one of those states where OSHA 10 expires after 5 years. Whereas OSHA 30 does not.

And to be honest to the OP, and anyone else. For y’all’s field, you should go with the construction OSHA 30.

Here’s a snip bit from... [Link: oshaeducationcenter.com]

“ Do I Need Construction or General Industry OSHA Training?
We offer two types of OSHA training — Construction Industry and General Industry — that feature specialized topics depending on the industry chosen. Generally, employers will instruct their employees on which version of Outreach training will be needed, so if you are unsure, please contact your employer to find out which training you need. OSHA defines "construction work" as work for construction, alteration and/or repair, including painting and decorating.”

I think that last line says it all.

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Post 9 made on Wednesday March 24, 2021 at 17:08
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On March 24, 2021 at 13:19, Marduka said...
I have taken some OSHA trainigns to be able to qualify for a license.

A license for what?
Post 10 made on Thursday March 25, 2021 at 05:39
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On March 24, 2021 at 17:08, Redbiker98 said...
A license for what?

In Connecticut and probably many other states. In order to even sit down for a test for a license. Whether that is an electrical, plumbing, HVAC or the alike. You’ll need at the very least an OSHA 10.


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Post 11 made on Thursday March 25, 2021 at 10:18
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On March 25, 2021 at 05:39, King of typos said...
In Connecticut and probably many other states. In order to even sit down for a test for a license. Whether that is an electrical, plumbing, HVAC or the alike. You’ll need at the very least an OSHA 10.

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Post 12 made on Tuesday March 30, 2021 at 11:55
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On November 11, 2020 at 18:31, Redbiker98 said...
I have been required to take OSHA training for a few jobs, but only large scale commercial ones, the kind that required hard hats and steel-toed boots. I don't remember what the name of the class was, but it was done on site and took a day.

So forgive my ignorance as a Canadian, but a residential new build you don't need hard hats and steel toed boots?

Also as a Canadian, safety is top priority. We are considered construction so all safety regulations need to be followed for a construction site and training needs to be completed to be able to step foot on a job site. Hard hat, work boots, etc.
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Post 13 made on Tuesday March 30, 2021 at 19:07
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On March 30, 2021 at 11:55, SWOInstaller said...
So forgive my ignorance as a Canadian, but a residential new build you don't need hard hats and steel toed boots?

I can count on one hand the number of residential installs that full PPE enforced in my almost 20 years in this industry. The only time OSHA would ever walk a resi job is if someone filed a legitimate complaint or there was a serious injury or death on a job site. Otherwise, they just don't have the inspectors to check all new construction.
Rules and regulations as well as enforcement also vary from state to state, as well as individual counties and cities. For example: I'm in Houston, I was working on a home in the city of Houston, and saw no less than 4 different inspectors walk the house thoroughly. Up the street in neighboring subdivision, outside of the city limits in unincorporated Harris County, the ONE inspector just did a drive by, signed the permit, and was gone in under 3 minutes. Both neighborhoods are in the same area and same builders.

Also as a Canadian, safety is top priority. We are considered construction so all safety regulations need to be followed for a construction site and training needs to be completed to be able to step foot on a job site. Hard hat, work boots, etc.

Well, with "free" healthcare, your government needs to do all they can to keep people from getting hurt. I'm not saying that's a bad thing.
Post 14 made on Thursday April 1, 2021 at 16:49
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On March 30, 2021 at 19:07, Redbiker98 said...
I can count on one hand the number of residential installs that full PPE enforced in my almost 20 years in this industry. The only time OSHA would ever walk a resi job is if someone filed a legitimate complaint or there was a serious injury or death on a job site. Otherwise, they just don't have the inspectors to check all new construction.
Rules and regulations as well as enforcement also vary from state to state, as well as individual counties and cities. For example: I'm in Houston, I was working on a home in the city of Houston, and saw no less than 4 different inspectors walk the house thoroughly. Up the street in neighboring subdivision, outside of the city limits in unincorporated Harris County, the ONE inspector just did a drive by, signed the permit, and was gone in under 3 minutes. Both neighborhoods are in the same area and same builders.

This is crazy to me. If you don't have a hard hat and safety boots (steel toe and shank) there's no point of showing up. Our Ministry of Labour will sit in their vehicles and take photos of guys not wearing proper ppe or doing something stupid and will bring the evidence with them when they come with their ticket book. They also don't just ticket the person that was not complying, this person will get the smallest ticket, the site super gets the next ticket, the guys company gets the next ticket and the site company gets the final ticket, with tickets ranging from $100 up to $25,000.
Well, with "free" healthcare, your government needs to do all they can to keep people from getting hurt. I'm not saying that's a bad thing.

It isn't our healthcare that is affected (although I'm sure it is to a point). Every business has to pay into WSIB (workplace safety insurance board) and this is where the payouts come from for the person on disability or their medical bills (our health care isn't free, it's just paid for in our taxes). They payout millions each year on preventable "accidents" which increases premiums and the price. From my last training session (about 3 years ago) they pay out more from accidents happening working off a ladder (step or extension) than from all the big commercial/industrial accidents combined and most of these accidents include deaths.
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Post 15 made on Thursday April 1, 2021 at 19:49
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On April 1, 2021 at 16:49, SWOInstaller said...
This is crazy to me. If you don't have a hard hat and safety boots (steel toe and shank) there's no point of showing up. Our Ministry of Labour will sit in their vehicles and take photos of guys not wearing proper ppe or doing something stupid and will bring the evidence with them when they come with their ticket book. They also don't just ticket the person that was not complying, this person will get the smallest ticket, the site super gets the next ticket, the guys company gets the next ticket and the site company gets the final ticket, with tickets ranging from $100 up to $25,000.

That's where our governments differ, we spend most of our tax dollars on our military and other bloated programs. That means a lot less money being spent on things like OSHA, health care, education, and the like. Add to that the fact that every state, county, and city have their own codes/laws and their own budget issues, that doesn't leave much for code enforcement most of the time.

It isn't our healthcare that is affected (although I'm sure it is to a point). Every business has to pay into WSIB (workplace safety insurance board) and this is where the payouts come from for the person on disability or their medical bills (our health care isn't free, it's just paid for in our taxes). They payout millions each year on preventable "accidents" which increases premiums and the price. From my last training session (about 3 years ago) they pay out more from accidents happening working off a ladder (step or extension) than from all the big commercial/industrial accidents combined and most of these accidents include deaths.

OK, nothing in life is really "free", but if you break a leg and go to the doctor and get it fixed, does he send you a bill? Do they check on your ability to pay the bill first? Here, if you walk into the emergency room with a non-life threatening injury, before they will see you, they will insist on a means of payment, insurance or credit card, either work.
So here, if a guy falls off of a ladder and has a minor break or major sprain, something non-life threatening, he goes to the hospital with no cc or insurance, they won't see him unless it's a city/county/state hospital, and there aren't too many of those around.
However, you say the contractor should have workman's comp insurance? You are correct, but that doesn't happen all too often because people are cheap. The customer went with the lowest bidder. How did that guy get his bid down so low? He doesn't have insurance, he has unskilled laborers, he uses cheap parts, whatever he can do to get the job and make a dollar.
Enforcement against these guys? See above.
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