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How many speakers do we need?
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Post 16 made on Thursday October 8, 2020 at 10:36
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On October 6, 2020 at 21:12, buzz said...
1700!? Does the vehicle slow on heavy bass passages -- due to battery charging system demands?

A couple days ago some sort of vehicle passed me as I was walking on the street. I felt that I should put on my hearing protection. I feel sorry for the soon to be hearing impaired occupants.

Well, you know how car audio has been rated in the past, right? We used to talk about amplifier output in 'Sony Watts', JBF and WLS. Let's just say Sony was a bit, er, optimistic. JBF stood for 'Just Before Fire' and WLS meant 'When Lightning Strikes'.
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 17 made on Thursday October 8, 2020 at 14:33
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On October 6, 2020 at 18:51, Ernie Gilman said...
"The room isn't stereo when the AVR is not on."

On October 7, 2020 at 00:12, highfigh said...
No, EVERYTHING is stereo because that's how we hear (actually, binaural)

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You contradict me, then contradict yourself.
until the AVR turns on and screws it up with some cockamamie scheme that was invented to impress people who don't know better.

My point was that stereo is not a characteristic of the space that sound exists in; it's a characteristic of the way sounds are presented in the space.

You're totally right about the 742 different "spaces" that you can dial up on your average Yamaha product. Yamaha does some spiffy things, but I've never understood the appeal of
taking two channels (or more) recorded in a room, with the room sometimes affecting the frequency response and image of the sound;
these signals are sent through various surround settings, each of which modifies the frequency response and image of the sound;
and finally this recorded sound is played in a room, which affects the frequency response and image of the sound.

There was some system in the mid 90s where I had ONE and only ONE use for the surround modes: when I put it into STADIUM, every customer could hear that something (mostly garbage echo) was coming out of the rear speakers!
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Post 18 made on Thursday October 8, 2020 at 19:59
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I reckon i installed maybe 20 x 5.1 or 7.1 systems in Bedrooms when i worked in this industry. Within a month most (maybe all) ended up with wireless headphones installed as well because 5.1 or 7.1 does not float for a wife trying to get to sleep.
I guarantee I'll tell you the truth and I guarantee I'll tell you what you need to know but I can't guarantee that I'll be telling you anything you want to hear.
Post 19 made on Friday October 9, 2020 at 07:45
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On October 8, 2020 at 14:33, Ernie Gilman said...
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You contradict me, then contradict yourself.
My point was that stereo is not a characteristic of the space that sound exists in; it's a characteristic of the way sounds are presented in the space.

You're totally right about the 742 different "spaces" that you can dial up on your average Yamaha product. Yamaha does some spiffy things, but I've never understood the appeal of
taking two channels (or more) recorded in a room, with the room sometimes affecting the frequency response and image of the sound;
these signals are sent through various surround settings, each of which modifies the frequency response and image of the sound;
and finally this recorded sound is played in a room, which affects the frequency response and image of the sound.

There was some system in the mid 90s where I had ONE and only ONE use for the surround modes: when I put it into STADIUM, every customer could hear that something (mostly garbage echo) was coming out of the rear speakers!

I added the part about monaural preemptively because I knew you would correct me if I left it as 'we hear stereo'.

The worst thing about having all of those modes is that on the OEM remote, they only have a few buttons that go directly to a small number of them. The rest require scrolling. For days.

Well, until someone flings the remote into the wall or fireplace.
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 20 made on Friday October 9, 2020 at 19:30
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On October 9, 2020 at 07:45, highfigh said...
I added the part about monaural...

Well, binaural, but yeah.
The worst thing about having all of those modes is that on the OEM remote, they only have a few buttons that go directly to a small number of them. The rest require scrolling. For days.

Yup, I've experienced that!

There's nothing you can do about that on the factory remotes. You could, however, find them all in the older Pronto Hex databases and make yourself an auxiliary remote that's only the 742 Yamaha surround modes.*

*There may not be quite that many.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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Post 21 made on Friday October 9, 2020 at 23:02
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On October 6, 2020 at 15:44, Mac Burks (39) said...
At a project with surround sound in a master bedroom...

I test the programming and hear no sound. I inform programmer. He gets angry and says "it must be hardware because programming is good". I inform him that the "AVR isn't even turning on". He then says "so that room isnt stereo?".

He then goes on a rant/whine about how he "never understood surround sound in a master bedroom...you only have two ears!".

LOL okay so if you only have two ears then why is it okay for surround sound in a theater? How about just fix your mistake and lets all move on.

Mac, I did this killer system in a Master Bed for a couple. They had kids and did not want to wake them at night and the MB was across the house.
We put a 12" sub in the closet that backed up to the bed wall and vented through with a custom made baffle. That thing would give you a massage! Great system!
Drinking upstream from the herd since 1960
Post 22 made on Saturday October 10, 2020 at 05:42
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On October 9, 2020 at 07:45, highfigh said...
I added the part about monaural preemptively because I knew you would correct me if I left it as 'we hear stereo'.

The worst thing about having all of those modes is that on the OEM remote, they only have a few buttons that go directly to a small number of them. The rest require scrolling. For days.

Well, until someone flings the remote into the wall or fireplace.

Like inputs, surround modes / DSP's can be skipped by the installer from a modern AVR's on-screen GUI or web GUI. It takes less than a minute to setup and makes for happy customers.
This industry is not getting cheaper and cheaper, we're simply convincing ourselves that we have to push the cheapest option to customers.
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Post 23 made on Saturday October 10, 2020 at 07:14
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On October 9, 2020 at 19:30, Ernie Gilman said...
Well, binaural, but yeah.

I was on my first cup of coffee, so.....
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 24 made on Saturday October 10, 2020 at 21:57
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I also prefer one in every room.
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