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How many speakers do we need?
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Post 1 made on Tuesday October 6, 2020 at 15:00
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I just heard a radio commercial for a Cadillac model touting 36 speakers for “360 degree sound”. I wonder if there will be an option to bring this scheme into the home. What a wonderful opportunity for the button freak — individual parametric EQ for each speaker! Is this a multi-zone system?
Post 2 made on Tuesday October 6, 2020 at 15:44
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At a project with surround sound in a master bedroom...

I test the programming and hear no sound. I inform programmer. He gets angry and says "it must be hardware because programming is good". I inform him that the "AVR isn't even turning on". He then says "so that room isnt stereo?".

He then goes on a rant/whine about how he "never understood surround sound in a master bedroom...you only have two ears!".

LOL okay so if you only have two ears then why is it okay for surround sound in a theater? How about just fix your mistake and lets all move on.
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Post 3 made on Tuesday October 6, 2020 at 16:03
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On October 6, 2020 at 15:44, Mac Burks (39) said...

He then says "so that room isnt stereo?".

What did the system document say? ;-)
Post 4 made on Tuesday October 6, 2020 at 16:05
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Yet they only need one in the kitchen.
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Post 5 made on Tuesday October 6, 2020 at 17:58
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On October 6, 2020 at 16:05, Rob Grabon said...
Yet they only need one in the kitchen.

One in every room. All being at least 20" in diameter....
Post 6 made on Tuesday October 6, 2020 at 18:48
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I'll take 4 really good speakers with an excellent amplifier. Maybe add a nice little sub to fill out the bottom end.
Post 7 made on Tuesday October 6, 2020 at 18:51
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On October 6, 2020 at 15:44, Mac Burks (39) said...
At a project with surround sound in a master bedroom...

I test the programming and hear no sound. I inform programmer. He gets angry and says "it must be hardware because programming is good". I inform him that the "AVR isn't even turning on". He then says "so that room isnt stereo?".

"The room isn't stereo when the AVR is not on."
Or
The room doesn't have any channels at all. The AVR, however, can be configured for many different setups. What did you program it to do? How does that compare to the [definition of what's needed in the room]?"
He then goes on a rant/whine about how he "never understood surround sound in a master bedroom...you only have two ears!".

"Thinking along those lines, you would have no peripheral vision."
"Peripheral."
"Peripheral! In areas other than those covered by the foveas."
"Foveas...."

LOL okay so if you only have two ears then why is it okay for surround sound in a theater? How about just fix your mistake and lets all move on.

The disappointing thing is that you're working with someone who poisons the moment with anger instead of, as you suggest, solving and moving on.
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Post 8 made on Tuesday October 6, 2020 at 20:26
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On October 6, 2020 at 15:00, buzz said...
I just heard a radio commercial for a Cadillac model touting 36 speakers for “360 degree sound”....

One of our vehicles has a 29 speaker 1700 watt Meridian audio system... it's extremely impressive for a factory installed system and very enjoyable!
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OP | Post 9 made on Tuesday October 6, 2020 at 21:12
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1700!? Does the vehicle slow on heavy bass passages -- due to battery charging system demands?

A couple days ago some sort of vehicle passed me as I was walking on the street. I felt that I should put on my hearing protection. I feel sorry for the soon to be hearing impaired occupants.
Post 10 made on Tuesday October 6, 2020 at 22:21
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I just saw the escalade in Columbia SC looking for my wife. We caught one of the tour vehicles to look at in person. very impressive. the 38" OLED and the AKG sound system were great. another really cool feature is it picks up voices from all seating positions and amplifies them through all speakers. so people seated in the 3rd row can easily communicate with passengers in the middle and front all while speaking at normal volume and not having to yell or say huh! the vehicle is pretty amazing, only negative IMO is the powertrain. the old 420hp/450tq 6.2 is tried and true but old and lazy. coming from the wifes 2019 Platinum Expedition 400hp/470tq ecoboost it really laughs at the GM V8s. it out tows, out accelerates, out "feels good" them. it is what i will miss the most. the ecoboost HO/10 speed combo is truely the bees knees.
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Post 11 made on Wednesday October 7, 2020 at 00:12
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On October 6, 2020 at 18:51, Ernie Gilman said...
"The room isn't stereo when the AVR is not on."

No, EVERYTHING is stereo because that's how we hear (actually, binaural) until the AVR turns on and screws it up with some cockamamie scheme that was invented to impress people who don't know better.
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 12 made on Wednesday October 7, 2020 at 00:17
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On October 6, 2020 at 22:21, edizzle said...
only negative IMO is the powertrain. the old 420hp/450tq 6.2 is tried and true but old and lazy. coming from the wifes 2019 Platinum Expedition 400hp/470tq ecoboost it really laughs at the GM V8s. it out tows, out accelerates, out "feels good" them. it is what i will miss the most. the ecoboost HO/10 speed combo is truely the bees knees.

So, you're comparing a turbo'd engine to a normally aspirated engine?

I hope the brakes are good.
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Post 13 made on Wednesday October 7, 2020 at 00:38
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On October 7, 2020 at 00:17, highfigh said...
only negative IMO is the powertrain. the old 420hp/450tq 6.2 is tried and true but old and lazy. coming from the wifes 2019 Platinum Expedition 400hp/470tq ecoboost it really laughs at the GM V8s. it out tows, out accelerates, out "feels good" them. it is what i will miss the most. the ecoboost HO/10 speed combo is truely the bees knees.

So, you're comparing a turbo'd engine to a normally aspirated engine?

I hope the brakes are good.

im comparing the engines in the two full size SUVs that COMPETE DIRECTLY with each other!! im comparing a small displacement TT V6 to a large displacement NA V8. just because a vehicle has a turbo doesnt make it faster or more powerful!! the two engines i am comparing are nearly identical in power and tourque, 20 apart on each number. it is all how it is delivered. the ecoboost has tremendous tourque on the low end, where as you need to wind the 6.2 up a little bit. that is the seat of the pants feel that i love about the Platinum. it will move when you need it to move.

When ford released the new Expedition and Navigator in 2018 after 14 years on the old platform. It murdered the GMs in every way. performance, interior room, the rear independent suspension allowed MUCH more room for the 3rd row. the CCD suspension is fantastic. styling is great. it was a no brainer. now the 2021 GMs have leveled the playing field!! the have independent rear suspension, great interiors, etc. when we went to look at the new yukons, the sales guy was very knowledgeable and straight up said the only difference between the Denali and the Platinum were the engine and infotainment system. engine nod to ford infotainment nod to GM. they are literally within $1,000 equally equipped.

the ford has GREAT brakes, not incredible. the yukon and escalade can get a factory installed Brembo big brake upgrade, which i will definitely be getting.
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Post 14 made on Wednesday October 7, 2020 at 14:24
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On October 6, 2020 at 15:44, Mac Burks (39) said...
At a project with surround sound in a master bedroom...

He then goes on a rant/whine about how he "never understood surround sound in a master bedroom...you only have two ears!".

LOL okay so if you only have two ears then why is it okay for surround sound in a theater? How about just fix your mistake and lets all move on.

dipshit probably never had surround in his bedroom... i dont know how any civilized person could not have surround in the bedroom... sometimes i enjoy it more than the media room... you are relaxed and it just envelops you...
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Post 15 made on Wednesday October 7, 2020 at 22:17
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On October 6, 2020 at 16:03, ILO said...
What did the system document say? ;-)

We had D-Tools line drawings and also a visual floor plan view showing the AVR wired to 5 speakers and a subwoofer.

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He just ignored all of it and assumed that it was a stereo zone. This guy was there for 3 days. Day 1 he spent trying to get his laptop connected to the network. Day two he put in an 8 hour day. Day 3 he wanted to leave early so he could enjoy the city before heading home.

He got pissy because his planned half day turned into a full day.

Also note that i had the system fully programmed with the exception of the door bell/intercom system via System Builder. I used to do that to test routing/wiring before the programmer showed up so that they wouldnt waste time telling me that "it must be wiring because the code is good". Then we met Tony Golden and i never had to do all that extra work again because his code was actually good.
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