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HT Projectors currently in vogue
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Post 1 made on Monday September 14, 2020 at 19:53
FP Crazy
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It’s been 3 years since I was in the industry and I know how things can change.

When I left, I was selling and installing Epson HT. There were still stuck in 1080p and had been dipping their toes in Laser light sources and E-Shift for a 4K solution. Still decent product and their white glove service was a nice feature. I also liked the generous amounts of horiz and vert lens shift they offered as well as a big zoom ratio

Sony was selling 4K HT projectors but their entry level products lacked the above features.

Where are we at now? 3 years later is anyone selling 4K, laser light source and flexible lens shift/zoom options? I know one of the impediments to more cost effective 4K is the larger chipset and resulting larger optics. But has that come closer to being solved?

By the way, I prefer 3 chip Lcos or LCD, not dlp. Not crazy about color wheels/dlp unless it’s a 3 chip dlp.

I’ve got a job to do. My neighbor is breaking ground on a home and I will be installing all his technology solutions next year. including a dedicated HT
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Post 2 made on Monday September 14, 2020 at 20:46
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Sony has the best top-to-bottom range. JVC and Epson are also very good. Optoma seems to be the darling of the entry-level.
Post 3 made on Monday September 14, 2020 at 21:38
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Still like Epson. Sony has better specs that may or may not translate into real world performance.

Epson flexibility has me using them.
Post 4 made on Tuesday September 15, 2020 at 10:01
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Have had several JVCs fail in the last six months. Getting them serviced has been very difficult. Delays, DOA after repair, poor communication from service company, etc.

Just stopped repairing 1080 devices and upgrading customers to Sony 4K. Everyone has been very happy on new installs and upgrades. Best of all, the IP driver in Crestron Home is easy to deploy and reliable.
Post 5 made on Tuesday September 15, 2020 at 10:06
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My go to for a basic HT package is the JVC LX-NZ3B/W. 3000 lumens, 20,000 hour laser light source, full 4K HDR etc, and lots of lens shift. Also, it's available in black or white, so it makes or good conference room projector as well.

JVC also has a regular bulb DLP model that is less expensive, and their DLARS???? models for the larger pocket books.

Prices are fairly well protected online.
Post 6 made on Tuesday September 15, 2020 at 11:36
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Sony and Epson
Drinking upstream from the herd since 1960
Post 7 made on Tuesday September 15, 2020 at 13:55
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On September 15, 2020 at 10:06, BHuey1969 said...
My go to for a basic HT package is the JVC LX-NZ3B/W. 3000 lumens, 20,000 hour laser light source, full 4K HDR etc, and lots of lens shift. Also, it's available in black or white, so it makes or good conference room projector as well.

JVC also has a regular bulb DLP model that is less expensive, and their DLARS???? models for the larger pocket books.

Prices are fairly well protected online.

Have they finally quit with the stupid policy of making two model numbers of the identical product as their way of "protecting dealer margins"?
Post 8 made on Tuesday September 15, 2020 at 15:02
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No, they still have a Reference series, and regular retail series. Pretty much identical.
Post 9 made on Wednesday September 16, 2020 at 12:41
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Epson and margins are decent
Post 10 made on Wednesday September 16, 2020 at 22:03
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What would you tell my customer who wants a BenQ?
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Post 11 made on Thursday September 17, 2020 at 09:25
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BenQ is the lowest of the low end. Terrible integration and performance is meh.
OP | Post 12 made on Thursday September 17, 2020 at 21:47
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On September 15, 2020 at 10:01, Mr. Brad said...
Have had several JVCs fail in the last six months. Getting them serviced has been very difficult. Delays, DOA after repair, poor communication from service company, etc.

Just stopped repairing 1080 devices and upgrading customers to Sony 4K. Everyone has been very happy on new installs and upgrades. Best of all, the IP driver in Crestron Home is easy to deploy and reliable.

I’ve sold many JVC pjs in the last 20 years and getting repair work was always hit or miss. I never knew what I was going to experience and for that reason it made me nervous selling them. They always performed great And were reasonably reliable but a few times they tarnished my image with the customer when there were service issues. Epson was a refreshing change from that Anxiety. But is Epson now providing full native 4K now? And laser light sources ?
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Post 13 made on Thursday September 17, 2020 at 23:30
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Epson does not have true 4K except one very expensive commercial model. I don't see it happening anytime soon either with LCD in the reasonable price range.
Post 14 made on Friday September 18, 2020 at 09:31
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Guess I've been lucky, and not have any real service issues selling the JVC Reference Series projectors. They've even upped the anti recently with a free advance exchange loaner program for the first year. Call them, give your CC info and they ship you a refurb unit, and a shipping label for your customer's unit.

Then they ship your customer's repaired unit back to you, and you send them their's back. Never get charged for anything unless you don't send their unit back.

But is haven't had much trouble with them in the first place, and usually if I do, it's firmware related, and can be fixed in the field.
OP | Post 15 made on Friday September 18, 2020 at 10:46
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When I left 3 years ago, JVC still only did e shift 4k, but there were rumors of native 4K. Can't remember if it was DILA LCOS or DLP? Did they finally bring out a native 4k? What chip set solution? General price point? Light source?

I still personally use a JVC 1080 DILA - 10 years old maybe more. Good unit. Still looks good as long as it's a bulb within it's first half of life. Never had any issues with it, and only a few customers units I sold in that period.

At that time, if you had a service issue, it was painful getting it serviced and even getting though to their service dept. Glad to see they've maybe remedied that.

But when I over to Epson, it was like a breath of fresh air. Great service when I needed it. Pretty reliable too. And flexible lens shift and zoom. So easy to set up too.

Can't believe Epson still hasn't locked on to native 4k. 5 years ago, they had a LCOS unit with E shift and a laser light source. I thought that might be the direction they were headed into. But I guess not? Still using 1080 LCD panels? Not sure if that LCOS they had out was their own chip set?

If I were investing in a PJ these days, my short list would consist of :

4k native
laser light source
LCOS or other reflective chip set
Reasonable optical lens shift and zoom options

I think Sony may be the only option with that criteria list, except for expensive boutique brands (if any of those still exist)...and possibly JVC.
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