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Best tester kit for long run POE camera installation.
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Post 1 made on Sunday July 26, 2020 at 08:42
andrewinboulder
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Im troubleshooting a Cat6 POE camera and Control4 DS2 door station at a gate. Both worked fine for almost a year without an issue (discrete runs through conduit and using flood rated cable). Now there are issues.

I have couple of different testers but Im seeing I dont have the right tester to quickly check all the variables at play, including the ability to view the camera.

Whats your fav test kit for this scenario for a quick diagnoses?
Post 2 made on Sunday July 26, 2020 at 09:25
Brad Humphrey
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1st I have a Fluke Microscanner to test the integrity of the cable. It also has TDR built in to verify distance on cable. A simple cable mapper would work for this as well but you get more information about the condition of the cable, the more expensive the tester.
Ideally I would like to have a Fluke IQ certifier to proper verify cable integrity & performance. But we all have budgets.

2nd I have the Ideal SecureTEST to verify the camera works and functionality.
[Link: amazon.com]
Post 3 made on Monday July 27, 2020 at 23:41
Malcolm013
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On July 26, 2020 at 08:42, andrewinboulder said...
Im troubleshooting a Cat6 POE camera and Control4 DS2 door station at a gate. Both worked fine for almost a year without an issue (discrete runs through conduit and using flood rated cable). Now there are issues.

I have couple of different testers but Im seeing I dont have the right tester to quickly check all the variables at play, including the ability to view the camera.

Whats your fav test kit for this scenario for a quick diagnoses?

I'd imagine you tried new cam or other POE device at location?
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OP | Post 4 made on Wednesday July 29, 2020 at 08:55
andrewinboulder
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I did not, however I've temporarily run cat six for both runs over the ground to the camera and DS2 keypad (this is not a super long run, but it is probably close to 280 ft). They both work flawlessly with cable over the ground. Makes no sense.

I should think there is a tester that does both cable integrity and IP camera viewing.
OP | Post 5 made on Wednesday July 29, 2020 at 09:06
andrewinboulder
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On July 26, 2020 at 09:25, Brad Humphrey said...
1st I have a Fluke Microscanner to test the integrity of the cable. It also has TDR built in to verify distance on cable. A simple cable mapper would work for this as well but you get more information about the condition of the cable, the more expensive the tester.
Ideally I would like to have a Fluke IQ certifier to proper verify cable integrity & performance. But we all have budgets.

2nd I have the Ideal SecureTEST to verify the camera works and functionality.
[Link: amazon.com]

Does the SecureTest she POE volt/amp pulled by a POE device when connected in line?
Post 6 made on Wednesday July 29, 2020 at 10:48
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Have you thought about installing a POE power inserter on the line, perhaps closer to the camera? Current loss, light gauge wire, etc...
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Post 7 made on Wednesday July 29, 2020 at 11:34
Brad Humphrey
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On July 29, 2020 at 09:06, andrewinboulder said...
Does the SecureTest show POE volt/amp pulled by a POE device when connected in line?

Yes it does.

But you have already troubleshooted the problem by running the Cat6 across the ground. The next question is 'how did 2 Cat6 runs go bad in conduit, that were burial rated'?

1) Did you supply the Cat6? What is the brand & part#? How long has the cable been in the ground? If someone else supplied it, anyway to find out where they got it from?
It has been noted many times in the past, how cheap cable can cause problems and even have lies attached to the listings. One reason I always argue for the use of quality cables that are properly listed, for uses that are going to be more or less permanent.

2) Did you install the cables in the conduit? Or did someone else do it? Wondering how much pull was done to the cables installing. Usually direct burial cable has stiffer more robust jackets and can take more than the regular 25-30 ft lbs of pull. But if it was pulled more than 50-60 ft lbs, I would suspect the cables might have been damaged. Not uncommon for damaged cables to start giving trouble years later, after having marginally worked before.
Post 8 made on Wednesday July 29, 2020 at 12:29
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I have been very happy with my Net Prowler from Platinum; doesn't do the IP camera part

[Link: platinumtools.com]

I'd guess you are looking for a broken pair and/or voltage drop

Displays length measurement for each pair in feet or meters using TDR technology

Detects PoE per IEEE 802.3af/at with load test for voltage drop and which pairs the PoE is located on (class)
Post 9 made on Thursday July 30, 2020 at 02:40
Ernie Gilman
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On July 29, 2020 at 12:29, SammPX said...
I'd guess you are looking for a broken pair and/or voltage drop

I hope you'd be able to test these wire pairs while a camera is working, and IRs if the camera has them. You can't tell what voltage will be at the other end of the wire if you're not drawing the current that the cameras will draw in normal operation.
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Post 10 made on Thursday July 30, 2020 at 10:04
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[Link: amazon.com]

Inline POE tester to show voltage, current and power draw by a POE device.
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OP | Post 11 made on Monday August 3, 2020 at 09:30
andrewinboulder
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On July 29, 2020 at 10:48, Fred Harding said...
Have you thought about installing a POE power inserter on the line, perhaps closer to the camera? Current loss, light gauge wire, etc...

Yes,

I bought on of repeater to test.  Oddly enough it worked with the camera so I thought I had the solution.  I purchased another but it would not work with the DS2.  Then the camera suddenly stopped working as well!

This is the one I tried
OP | Post 12 made on Monday August 3, 2020 at 09:32
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On July 29, 2020 at 11:34, Brad Humphrey said...
Yes it does.

But you have already troubleshooted the problem by running the Cat6 across the ground. The next question is 'how did 2 Cat6 runs go bad in conduit, that were burial rated'?

1) Did you supply the Cat6? What is the brand & part#? How long has the cable been in the ground? If someone else supplied it, anyway to find out where they got it from?
It has been noted many times in the past, how cheap cable can cause problems and even have lies attached to the listings. One reason I always argue for the use of quality cables that are properly listed, for uses that are going to be more or less permanent.

2) Did you install the cables in the conduit? Or did someone else do it? Wondering how much pull was done to the cables installing. Usually direct burial cable has stiffer more robust jackets and can take more than the regular 25-30 ft lbs of pull. But if it was pulled more than 50-60 ft lbs, I would suspect the cables might have been damaged. Not uncommon for damaged cables to start giving trouble years later, after having marginally worked before.

All good questions. I decided to get the Fluke unit you mentioned to try out. The cable was purchased from my local disty.
Someone else pulled the wire through the conduit so that may be the issue. Investigating today.
OP | Post 13 made on Monday August 3, 2020 at 09:33
andrewinboulder
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On July 29, 2020 at 12:29, SammPX said...
I have been very happy with my Net Prowler from Platinum; doesn't do the IP camera part

[Link: platinumtools.com]

I'd guess you are looking for a broken pair and/or voltage drop

Displays length measurement for each pair in feet or meters using TDR technology

Detects PoE per IEEE 802.3af/at with load test for voltage drop and which pairs the PoE is located on (class)

Shoot forgot about platinum - that piece looks pretty cool
Post 14 made on Wednesday August 5, 2020 at 02:13
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On July 29, 2020 at 11:34, Brad Humphrey said...
2) Did you install the cables in the conduit? Or did someone else do it? Wondering how much pull was done to the cables installing. Usually direct burial cable has stiffer more robust jackets and can take more than the regular 25-30 ft lbs of pull. But if it was pulled more than 50-60 ft lbs, I would suspect the cables might have been damaged. Not uncommon for damaged cables to start giving trouble years later, after having marginally worked before.

Is this in an area with a freeze & thaw? Does the conduit come out of the ground at either end and into a box or conduit fitting such as an LB? Perhaps an expansion fitting should have been installed. You might find that the UTP in the conduit has snapped in two.
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