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The guy who invented those annoying password rules now apologizes
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Post 1 made on Thursday November 21, 2019 at 12:20
Ernie Gilman
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This article has two great things:

An xkcd cartoon reveals something technical that is true but as yet not known well, and

It lets us know that relief regarding creating and remembering passwords will some day come, even though it might take a dozen years!

One thing to expect along the way is that, as these stupid and worthless password construction rules relax, eventually it will be recognized that there is less need to change passwords as often as is now thought.

[Link: gizmodo.com]
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Post 2 made on Friday November 22, 2019 at 11:36
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Very interesting, changes my thoughts on passwords going forward now.
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Post 3 made on Friday November 22, 2019 at 21:09
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Problem is, most places require the addition of at least one capital letter and one or two numbers. and I doubt that will change anytime soon.

Screw it, I'll keep using 1234 for everything.....LOL
Post 4 made on Friday November 22, 2019 at 21:37
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On November 22, 2019 at 21:09, Trunk-Slammer -Supreme said...
Screw it, I'll keep using 1234 for everything.....LOL

Ironically, if you were to use "onetwothreefour", it would take about one thousand years to crack. :D

https://howsecureismypassword.net/
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Post 5 made on Saturday November 23, 2019 at 05:20
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Use the name of Frank Zappa songs and albums- easy to remember (if you're a fan) and it's doubtful that anyone who doesn't know you will guess them. I checked one in that link and it showed that someone would need 4 sextillion years to crack it.
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OP | Post 6 made on Saturday November 23, 2019 at 10:47
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On November 22, 2019 at 21:09, Trunk-Slammer -Supreme said...
Problem is, most places require the addition of at least one capital letter and one or two numbers. and I doubt that will change anytime soon.

You are directly reporting on the problem: due to the "rules" set up so long ago, rules that don't reflect a truly difficult means of password construction, we have to put things into passwords that do not make passwords more secure.

The policy-makers in IT at "Most places" have to change the requirements to reflect this truth.

On November 23, 2019 at 05:20, highfigh said...
Use the name of Frank Zappa songs and albums- easy to remember (if you're a fan)

That's pretty funny. "Hot Rats" is the only one that comes to mind offhand, but surely any sensible password detector would veer away from that! Something with Suzy Creamcheese in it also would not immediately be guessed.
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Post 7 made on Saturday November 23, 2019 at 15:39
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Went to see Zappa years ago. Cannot remember anything from the evening, let alone any of the songs.


The auditorium was VERY smokey....LOL
OP | Post 8 made on Saturday November 23, 2019 at 22:31
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Don't forget Fink Ployd. A sure-fire password would be their song title

"Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave And Grooving With A Pict."

This tune also is a GREAT example of how surroundy Pro Logic could be!
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Post 9 made on Sunday November 24, 2019 at 12:17
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On November 23, 2019 at 10:47, Ernie Gilman said...
You are directly reporting on the problem: due to the "rules" set up so long ago, rules that don't reflect a truly difficult means of password construction, we have to put things into passwords that do not make passwords more secure.

The policy-makers in IT at "Most places" have to change the requirements to reflect this truth.

That's pretty funny. "Hot Rats" is the only one that comes to mind offhand, but surely any sensible password detector would veer away from that! Something with Suzy Creamcheese in it also would not immediately be guessed.

The 'How Secure' site showed that 'hotrats' would be cracked instantly, whereas 'Don'tYouEverWashThatThing?' would take 1 nonillion years without the outside apostrophes.

Yes, it's not for everybody, but it's actually a song-

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OP | Post 10 made on Sunday November 24, 2019 at 18:59
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Another possible password comes from The Good Doctor.

"Ready the bot shears."
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Post 11 made on Sunday November 24, 2019 at 20:11
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I don't know much about this, but seems like the bigger risk for passwords these days isn't brute force hacking, but security breaches where institutions and e-commerce sites are hacked to gain access to the database with your personal information and passwords.
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OP | Post 12 made on Sunday November 24, 2019 at 21:22
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On November 24, 2019 at 18:59, Ernie Gilman said...
Another possible password comes from The Good Doctor.

"Ready the hot shears."

edit: fixed spelling.
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Post 13 made on Monday November 25, 2019 at 08:52
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On November 24, 2019 at 20:11, SB Smarthomes said...
I don't know much about this, but seems like the bigger risk for passwords these days isn't brute force hacking, but security breaches where institutions and e-commerce sites are hacked to gain access to the database with your personal information and passwords.

Like this?

[Link: jsonline.com]
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Post 14 made on Monday November 25, 2019 at 20:03
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On November 24, 2019 at 20:11, SB Smarthomes said...
I don't know much about this, but seems like the bigger risk for passwords these days isn't brute force hacking, but security breaches where institutions and e-commerce sites are hacked to gain access to the database with your personal information and passwords.

Exactly. And then after the hack they impose new rules that make you put in an even more complicated password, and change it more frequently, as if it was your "weak" password's fault that they were hacked!
OP | Post 15 made on Tuesday November 26, 2019 at 03:06
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I gotta say, I would have preferred for this not to pop up without some kind of work....



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