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What does Hikvivision being blacklisted mean?
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Post 1 made on Monday October 14, 2019 at 21:25
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In the article on Chinese companies being blacklisted by the Commerce Department, it says

“ The Commerce Department on Monday added 28 state security bureaus and tech companies in China to a United States blacklist over concerns about their role in human rights violations, effectively blocking those entities from doing business with U.S. firms”.

So, being they OEM products for multiple brands, how does this affect our industry?
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Post 2 made on Monday October 14, 2019 at 22:24
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The blacklist restricts US companies from selling goods to Hikvision, it does not prevent Hikvision from being sold in the US. However it will remove them from the ONVIF development body. I do not know how much Hikvision relies on US suppliers for parts or equipment.

[Link: securityinfowatch.com]

"Although the naming of these companies to the Entity List is not an outright embargo, the rule will require government approval before any U.S.-based company can sell goods to them in the future.

“For all 28 entities, the license requirements apply to any transaction in which items are to be exported, reexported, or transferred (in country) to any of the entities or in which such entities act as purchaser, intermediate consignee, ultimate consignee, or end-user,” reads the rule issued by the Department of Commerce. “In addition, no license exceptions are available for exports, re-exports, or transfers (in-country) to the entities being added to the Entity List in this rule.” "

"At least one immediate industry impact the action will have on Hikvision and Dahua will be their ability to take part in the work of industry standards development body ONVIF. In a statement provided to SecurityInfoWatch, the organization confirmed that the companies’ membership would be suspended, as it did when member company Huawei was added to the Entity List.

“Member companies subject to U.S. Export Administration Regulations (EAR) will have its access to certain members-only information suspended,” the statement read. “This includes a member’s ability to submit additional products for conformance or allow their representatives to participate in the work of ONVIF.”"
OP | Post 3 made on Monday October 14, 2019 at 22:53
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Can they continue to OEM product for US manufacturers?
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Post 4 made on Tuesday October 15, 2019 at 13:19
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On October 14, 2019 at 22:53, Fins said...
Can they continue to OEM product for US manufacturers?

The blacklist says that US companies can not sell them equipment, supplies, materials or software or provide them any kind of service.
Post 5 made on Tuesday October 15, 2019 at 19:42
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I think the only question most will have is will this be retroactive to disable ONVIF on devices that have already been installed?
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Post 6 made on Tuesday October 15, 2019 at 21:46
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On October 15, 2019 at 19:42, Audiophiliac said...
I think the only question most will have is will this be retroactive to disable ONVIF on devices that have already been installed?

No. The release I saw from both Hik and ONVIF clearly stated that no existing products are impacted.
Post 7 made on Wednesday October 16, 2019 at 08:51
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Interesting findings regarding Hikvision on my personal network.

I use UniFi for my switching and access points. My firewall is a PFSense Netgate firewall. I also use Domotz and have the network security scanning enabled, which looks at the UPnP as well as the TCP open ports on the network per device.

I also have a mixture of Axis and Hikvision cameras. 4 Hikvision and 3 Axis cameras.

Can you guess which cameras are trying to open ports via UPnP and send something to who knows where? Yep, the Hikvision. Not one of the 3 Axis cameras i have do this unless setup to do it.

If I turn off the UPnP on the firewall it stops.
Post 8 made on Wednesday October 16, 2019 at 12:11
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That's how UPNP works right, that's it's purpose, network discovery of devices.
Post 9 made on Wednesday October 16, 2019 at 16:15
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Network discovery is one thing, opening up ports to broadcast is another.
Post 10 made on Wednesday October 16, 2019 at 22:42
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That is exactly how upon works. It communicates to the router what ports to open. Put an Xbox on the network, it will do the exact same thing.
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Post 11 made on Thursday October 17, 2019 at 09:34
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This probably has to do with HIK Connect Cloud Server if I had to guess.
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Post 12 made on Thursday October 17, 2019 at 13:33
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On October 16, 2019 at 16:15, TAAVS said...
Network discovery is one thing, opening up ports to broadcast is another.

Any program with an IP stack can/does open up port/s and broadcast, ports are 'the pipe'. You have to open a port before you can send anything over an IP based 'network' port. That's what UPnP is doing, it's up to the/a device to be listening to finish the 'whatever' that UPnP is requesting.
Here is a lot better explaination than mine:
he UPnP Device Architecture (UDA) is more than just a simple extension of the plug and play peripheral model. It is designed to support zero-configuration, "invisible" networking, and automatic discovery for a breadth of device categories from a wide range of vendors. This means a device can dynamically join a network, obtain an IP address, convey its capabilities, and learn about the presence and capabilities of other devices. Finally, a device can leave a network smoothly and automatically without leaving any unwanted state behind


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