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100V / 70V set-up help please!
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Post 16 made on Monday September 9, 2019 at 11:07
techvalley
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Thread is helpful, thanks
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Post 17 made on Monday September 9, 2019 at 11:18
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A loose strand might not be a possibility with solid wire, but if that wire is bent too often, it can/will break. With solid wire, you get one chance.

Not stranded?

Romex / UF - 12/2wg and 14 and 10 and ...
UTP. Aka cat5,6.... (solid has a higher performance rating)
Thermostat wire / doorbell wire
RG6 solid center
RG59 solid center
RG11
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OP | Post 18 made on Monday September 9, 2019 at 12:41
Nilo Santos
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Yes, I totally understand now. Also specially after I did some reading on everything said here.

Thank you all so very much again.
Nilo
OP | Post 19 made on Monday September 9, 2019 at 13:06
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On September 8, 2019 at 11:21, Brad Humphrey said...
70V or 100V (25V is also an options with some systems) makes no difference on sound quality. The different voltages allow for different configurations of a system. Which by the way; at 100V the tap settings on those speakers is 15w not 7.5w anymore. So you can NOT run 9 of those speakers at 100V setup, without eventually burning that amp up. You have to use the 70V configuration, so the minimum tap is 7.5 watt.

= Absolutely right! I have to run at 70V in order to correctly set the taps at 7.5W


Something not mentioned anywhere is this thread so far - 70V volume controls!
This is a restaurant. Inevitably you are going to need to have the ability to adjust volume in different areas of the restaurant. Even shut volume off completely in a section. Installing some 70V volume controls is a simple & cheap way to accomplish this on a simple system like this.
Just need a volume control for each area. So if there are 5 speakers up front in the main area and 4 speakers in a back area, you might only need to get 2 volume controls. If you have 4 divided areas, then 4 volume controls.
Wiring will become a little more complicated if you are not familiar. You need to either home run from each volume control location, or wire your loop thru each volume control location. A separate loop wires out from each volume control location to the speakers.
I like home running as much as possible. It uses more wire and more time to install but is easier to troubleshoot and make changes in the future.

= Valuable advice! I will install volume controls and home run the connections.
OP | Post 20 made on Monday September 9, 2019 at 13:19
Nilo Santos
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WIRING = I will use regular unshielded stranded speaker wire.
Maybe 16 AWG - 18 AWG - 20 AWG.
Post 21 made on Monday September 9, 2019 at 15:04
Ernie Gilman
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On September 9, 2019 at 09:37, highfigh said...
A loose strand might not be a possibility with solid wire, but if that wire is bent too often, it can/will break. With solid wire, you get one chance.

If you are using the right gauge of the wire for the type of connection you've got, there will be no breaking of a solid wire with quite a bit of bendage. It is only the case that you get one chance when you're using the wrong wire.

The classic case that most of us have run into is using CAT cable where 22 or 20 gauge is called for, such as doorbell wiring or any other wiring where we have to bend the wire properly for it to be captivated under a screw. And in the case of CAT cable, the problem is likely NOT that you've flexed it too many times, it's that you've nicked the wire, so it is more likely to break when flexed a reasonable number of times.

CAT5 is meant to be punched down or crimped. In those cases, nobody bends the wire where the connection is made (and if you nick a wire when you remove the jacket, suddenly the wire is subject to breakage as though it had been flexed).

By the way, you say "too often" but I'll bet you mean "too many times." While I believe it's true that bending a wire back and forth really fast makes it break after fewer cycles of bending than wire bent back and forth more slowly, whenever we've broken a wire by bending it, we haven't been simultaneously trying to set any speed records!
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