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Anyone messed with POE lighting?
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Post 1 made on Sunday August 18, 2019 at 19:01
andrewinboulder
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Seems like a trend in the future perhaps
Post 2 made on Sunday August 18, 2019 at 19:27
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On August 18, 2019 at 19:01, andrewinboulder said...
Seems like a trend in the future perhaps

Seems more like a big fight brewing between the IT people, the electricians, and the A/V integrators.
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Post 3 made on Sunday August 18, 2019 at 20:11
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Looked at it as part of a project. Really expensive for now but if it becomes mainstream it is something I will take a deeper look at. Cool technology IMO.
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Post 4 made on Sunday August 18, 2019 at 21:50
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I remember back in the day trying to explain to inspectors what a "low voltage lighting keypad" was and why the wire doesn't have to be in conduit. I cant wait for the first POE lighting conversation with an inspector :D.
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Post 5 made on Monday August 19, 2019 at 06:42
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Looking at Loxone, Hubbell, and Philips the cabling standards are all over the place with splits and flying splices galore. Will need that sorted out along with a bevy of drivers and modules. Interesting market for sure and would agree a race is underway for the offering that code compliance may shape to an extent.
Post 6 made on Monday August 19, 2019 at 08:00
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Lumencache? Something like that
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Post 7 made on Monday August 19, 2019 at 08:49
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On August 18, 2019 at 21:50, Mac Burks (39) said...
I remember back in the day trying to explain to inspectors what a "low voltage lighting keypad" was and why the wire doesn't have to be in conduit. I cant wait for the first POE lighting conversation with an inspector :D.

Depending on the type of POE being used, you could lose that argument.
Post 8 made on Monday August 19, 2019 at 09:17
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On August 19, 2019 at 08:49, internetraver said...
Depending on the type of POE being used, you could lose that argument.

Not to mention to local codes.
When i worked at tweeter the town my store was in required all low voltage to be conduit for residential and commercial.
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Post 9 made on Monday August 19, 2019 at 10:26
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I wouldn't do it. You can be trendy when dressing but you can throw your clothes away if the trend changes. Do you really want to rip your walls open if this is just a fade? Seems crazy to me....

Plus you're stuck with whatever that company sells. Want a decorative fixture in your hallway? Sorry, we only have one option for a surface mount ceiling fixture. Which BTW is another argument for Lutron vs. Hue or other bulb manufacturers.
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Post 10 made on Monday August 19, 2019 at 11:55
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On August 19, 2019 at 10:26, drewski300 said...
I wouldn't do it. You can be trendy when dressing but you can throw your clothes away if the trend changes. Do you really want to rip your walls open if this is just a fade? Seems crazy to me....

Plus you're stuck with whatever that company sells. Want a decorative fixture in your hallway? Sorry, we only have one option for a surface mount ceiling fixture. Which BTW is another argument for Lutron vs. Hue or other bulb manufacturers.

That's because you work for an electrical contractor as do I.

We had a guy building a 10ksq/ft house and the other company was pitching LumaStream throughout.

I like LumaStream and think they have a great product, but there is no way in hell I would wire my house with speaker wire to 800 can lights.

Now we are supposed to add POE to the mix and choose between traditional, LV with transformers, and now POE?

This is not a positive step for the industry.
Post 11 made on Monday August 19, 2019 at 14:14
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Electricians will fight POE lighting to the end of days. THAT'S a big union with a lot of money to get their way, and all the ones making the decisions/laws, used to be electricians; "hey brother, what can I do for you?"

And just like the health industry, treating the disease is more profitable than curing it.
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Post 12 made on Tuesday August 20, 2019 at 07:52
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On August 19, 2019 at 14:14, Rob Grabon said...
Electricians will fight POE lighting to the end of days. THAT'S a big union with a lot of money to get their way, and all the ones making the decisions/laws, used to be electricians; "hey brother, what can I do for you?"

And just like the health industry, treating the disease is more profitable than curing it.

They will just get there way and require anyone working with PoE to be licensed. This is in the works now. Can’t remember where I saw article.
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Post 13 made on Tuesday August 20, 2019 at 12:28
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I wonder what the cost saving on the electric bill is every month?
Post 14 made on Tuesday August 20, 2019 at 12:59
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On August 20, 2019 at 07:52, edizzle said...
They will just get there way and require anyone working with PoE to be licensed. This is in the works now. Can’t remember where I saw article.

Having that issue now in Texas
Post 15 made on Tuesday August 20, 2019 at 16:10
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On August 20, 2019 at 12:59, ichbinbose said...
Having that issue now in Texas

This is also stated within the Canadian Electrical code. Haven't seen a lot of it (I know of a couple companies with 2' and 4' drop ceiling fixtures) but can see this becoming more of an issue. The way the union will get around it is by simply adding it into the code and requiring electrical contractors to run and terminate all the wiring. Then the inspectors will require all wires and connectors to be certified and won't provide a passed system until they receive the completed certification document.
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